[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next]
[Main Index][Thread Index]

# RE: Interesting experience to share

#### Message 02019 of 3835

- To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: RE: [BardonPraxis] Interesting experience to share
- From: "Jeremy Jacobs" <darkzen15@...>
- Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:10:17 +0800
- Bcc:

    Dear David,

`That is soo cool. Its really really cool cause this confirms what I have been getting too. The subconscious area/zone where lucid dreaming and stuff takes place is a very very powerful tool for self observation and change.`
`Here is what I have done :
I was performing the step 2 auto-suggestion step and I was working over a few weeks on a few different problems. I woould repeat the phrase like : I am a disciplined person. Then as I fell asleep, I would dream. In that dreams itself, my subconscious presented a variety of scenarios as to how my changed lifestyle would be. IT showed me being more disciplined, more humble and stuff like that. When I woke up, I would be convinced of this fact and really change my life to this new style.`
`Of course after a whle of slacking, I would lose touch of this and revert back to my lazy state. But for that period of time, nothing else mattered because my statement of will was true. Cool huh?`
`I saw this happening with sexual things as well. I would like be thinking of this girl or thinking of sex before sleep(can't blame a guy can ya?) and when i fell off to sleep, I would 100% dream of something sexual that gave me all the sexual provocativeness i needed for the next day. And cool enough this changed my charisma because from being a rather unattractive shy guy, I would notice girls checking me out and for the first time when i looked into their eyes, they didn't like turn away or stuff but we could keep on looking for a while and stuff like that....wicked :)`
`Think about it man...we've got an awesome tool for self-observation and change. ANYTHING is possible. To test this, I am very very homophobic, so I experimented with whether i could change this. I'll be damned that very night i dreamt i was ahem...doing something funky with a guy. The next day, I wasn't repulsed anymore but thank god, neither was I attracted. Now I am not homophobic but more accepting. But sadly, thjere are somethings that I know are wrong in my life but I just don't WANT to change it...`
`Keep on experimenting buddy/ies :) Magic is not too different from science, except we're way ahead of em :)))`

    Love
    Jeremy

>     From: "David Yeh" <ldreamr@...>
>     Reply-To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
>     To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
>     Subject: [BardonPraxis] Interesting experience to share
>     Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:27:03 -0000

>     Hi, I just thought I'd share this experience I had this morning.

>     To preface: I've been really working on emptiness or vacancy of mind,
>     and also thought discipline in everyday life. I've been finding it
>     pretty difficult.

>     Lately, to add to that, I've been eating a lot of sugar, and just
>     sitting around, which I think contributed to my mental agitation and
>     restlessness. It has made for difficult meditation -- it's hard to
>     even pay attention to how my mind likes to be distracted.

>     I woke up at 4:30 to go to the bathroom and my mind was so jerky that
>     I couldn't get back to sleep until around 6. When I finally did
>     drift back to sleep, at some point I found myself in a lucid dream.

>     I've had lucid dreams before, but at the point in my life when I was
>     really trying for them -- when I really put a lot of myself into the
>     effort -- they tended to be very short and also very sexual, in a
>     knee-jerk way.

>     This was pretty different. The dream-situation was fairly normal --
>     just walking around in a public area. But this time I was relaxing
>     into it, which I usually forget to do. For the first time I had a
>     sense that I could keep myself from waking up, by relaxing. I
>     attribute this to the practice of meditation, making me more aware of
>     how I tense up and am afraid all of the time.

>     Well, I was walking around, and I had a few different kinds of
>     experiences.

>     Every time I saw a woman that I was sexually attracted to, and
>     started thinking, hey maybe I'll try to have sex with her, she
>     started to fade and the dream went all hazy, as it does just before I
>     wake up. So I tried to relax away from that desire. Then it
>     happened a few more times, and I realized what was happening: my
>     desire was causing tension in me.

>     A little bit later, I was walking down a road and somehow I had a
>     garland of flowers around my head. Then suddenly it was a vine of
>     some evil plant that started biting me. I tried to get away from it,
>     but the more I resisted, the more surrounded I was by trees and vines
>     that were biting and snapping at me. Again, I realized what was
>     happening, and I stopped resisting. I let them bite me. It hurt for
>     a few more moments, and then they all vanished.

>     I realized then that any kind of ATTACHMENT caused me to tense and
>     grasp the object of attachment, or push away from it, depending on
>     the nature of the attachment. And that caused the reality of the
>     dream to fade. Conversely, when I was NOT attached, I couldn't
>     believe the clarity of the dream. I could see details of leaves on
>     trees a hundred yards away. So this has definite analogues to
>     physical vision, too. Everything become so real and vivid -- until I
>     got attached to something else, which was pretty frequently.

>     I thought that this experience really strongly illustrated the effect
>     of attachment on consciousness. I've heard and read Tibetan
>     Buddhists saying that the lucid dream state is the fast track to
>     enlightenment, and I can see why. The effects of attachment were so
>     immediate; it's necessary to cultivate a deep presence and attitude
>     of nonattachment in order to even stay in the dream. And, there are
>     so many opportunities for immediate gratification.

>     In addition to having "enlightenment" possibilities, experiences like
>     this seem to give really good feedback for what needs to be worked on
>     in terms of soul mirror stuff.

>     So, just thought I'd share. I don't have many lucid dreams anymore
>     but I guess that one was brought on by insomnia. Maybe I should do
>     that more often. :)

>     Thanks,
>     David

    _________________________________________________________________
    Find love on MSN Personals http://personals.msn.com.sg/

- Follow-Ups:
  - Re: Interesting experience to share
    - From: "David Yeh" <ldreamr@...>

- Prev by Date: Re: Interesting experience to share
- Next by Date: Re: Interesting experience to share
- Previous by thread: Re: Interesting experience to share
- Next by thread: Re: Interesting experience to share
- Indexes:
  - Main
  - Thread

Main Index | Thread Index