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# Re: Emptiness of Mind

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- Subject: Re: Emptiness of Mind
- From: "Geoffrey Sy <geoffrey_sy@...>" <geoffrey_sy@...>
- Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 03:17:04 -0000
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    Hello,

    Now, I am confused. :) From what I understand from Bardon's book in
    the Emptiness of Mind, is that I should resist with all my strength
    from thoughts are coming in. I think there is a line where it is
    stated somethign like that. Rawn, did I understand Bardon
    correctly?

    But from Pedro's perspective is I have to let the thoughts just come
    in. Although not attached to it. But seemingly Pedro attach a
    special meaning to the thoughts coming in. as this line:

    > Your thoughts will become more "meaningful" as you progress in the
    > study.

    >From my perspective, maybe I am doing a similar thing with what Pedro
    is saying but not entirely similar. Whenever a thought arises, I
    just shift my focus out of it by not thinking of it - "not attached
    to it". And later on the thought just disappear because no thinking
    process is being given to it. And of course, another thought will
    come in, and I just do it again. Shifting my focus out. But by doing
    this, I don't care about the thoughts coming in. So I don't think
    even meaningful thoughts will come in. Because I shift out of the
    thoughts everytime.

    And just a question too, is there a maximum length to be devoted to
    the Emptiness of Mind exercise everyday (like 30 minutes?)?

    Paul, how do you practise it in the office?

    Thanks,
    Geoffrey

    --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Pedro A. G. Chuidian Jr.
    <dv1pc@y...>" <dv1pc@y...> wrote:
    > --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Geoffrey Sy
    <geoffrey_sy@y...>"
    >
    > Hi Geoffrey,
    >
    > This is unsolicited , with all due respect to all, I'd just like to
    > add a little something. Just let it happen. From what I have
    learned,
    > the idea of learning to "let go" of your thoughts is for us to
    learn
    > not to end up forcing concepts and ideas into the practice to be
    able
    > to get results. That was why he said "to be a silent observer".
    This
    > is a natural tendency of a person in the study - to be expecting
    the
    > results or effects of the practice. At this early stage, the
    student
    > is likely to simulate experiences where later on in the study it
    > might be the cause of a stagnation. I fell into the trap before
    when
    > I was so eager to get results and be able to say something to my
    > guide.
    >
    > Your thoughts will become more "meaningful" as you progress in the
    > study.
    >
    > During this stage, just learn to focus and extend the duration of
    > this focus. Breathing properly is of utmost importance.
    >
    > I hope I worded it properly that you got my point and that I was
    able
    > to help you in any way.
    >
    >
    > <geoffrey_sy@y...> wrote:
    > > Thanks Rawn,
    > >
    > >
    > > Regarding the one pointedness after I return from emptiness, what
    I
    > > focus upon? should I focus upon the period I went into emptiness
    > in
    > > the sense that the blank there will become meaningful thoughts?
    > Did I get it right?
    > >

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