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# Re: Re: Incorporating Self-defense in Hermetic Practices

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Re: Incorporating Self-defense in Hermetic Practices
- From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
- Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 14:27:37 -0700
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    Dear Jon,

    >> I've had a similar question brewing. After reading Frabato, and in
    particular
    "While they were being flogged, Quintscher lost his self-control. He
    uttered a Kabbalistic formula, whereupon the torturers were immediately
    paralyzed completely."
    I've been wondering whether it is acceptable to use magic for
    self-defence (not that I'm anywhere near being able to do that :) ). Why
    does this show a loss of self-control? Isn't protection from physical
    harm allowed? <<

    A true Kabbalist acts as a temporal agent of Divine Providence within
    the temporal realm whenever uttering a Kabbalistic formula. This means
    that the motivation for uttering the formula must *always* be rooted in
    some sort of Divine imperative. In the example of Quintscher's act, his
    use of the formula was rooted in his emotional reaction to what he was
    witnessing and not in any Divine imperative, thus signifying a loss of
    emotional self-control. In other words, he placed his own emotional
    needs above the responsibility inherent to the use of such a high power
    as that of a Kabbalistic formula and therefore debased the gift given to
    him by Divine Providence. The karmic consequences of such a loss of
    self-control are very far reaching and can take many lifetimes to
    redeem.

    This is why it always dismays me when I hear of folks playing around
    with the work of KTQ before they have truly undertaken the preparatory
    work and attained to the degree of self-control necessary.

    >> I've been wondering whether it is acceptable to use magic for
    self-defence <<

    Ethically, the "lower" magics may be used for protection of self and
    others so long as this does not ever involve the causing of harm. The
    "higher" magics (such as Kabbalistic formulae) however, may only be used
    when there is a Divine imperative to do so.

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    03 Apr 2005
    rawnclark@...
    rawn@...
    http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
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  - Re: Re: Incorporating Self-defense in Hermetic Practices
    - From: Jonathan Bell <bell_jonathan@...>

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