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# Re: YHVH-Tetragrammaton

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- To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: Re: YHVH-Tetragrammaton
- From: "Peter Reist" <preist@...>
- Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:00:45 -0000
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    Olivier,

    >From my limited understand, both a right in one fashion or another.

    The Fire, Air, Water, Earth attribution order refers to how the
    structure of the elements exists within the human body. That is: fire
    in the head, air in the chest above the diaphram, water in the guts
    bellow the diaphram and earth in the legs. When the actual Hebrew
    letters of Yod Heh Vav Heh are written top to bottom, as are found
    within the photos section of the Bardon Praxis yahoo group, they show
    the figure of a human being which is sometimes called Adam Kadmon,
    the primordial man. This is a more Hermetic viewpoint than a
    Kabbalahistic viewpoint, in my opinion.

    The Fire, Water, Air, Earth attribution order refers more to the
    sequence which the elements came into existence. First comes Fire, or
    more appropriately, the electric fluid, then the Water, the magnetic
    fluid. At which point Fire and Water, the electric and magnetic
    fluids, combine in a state of equilibrium to form Air. The simplest
    way of understanding this is that when fire and water are combined,
    steam, Air, is produced. Interestingly enough, Bardon's conception of
    vital energy, sometimes known as Qi or Prana in other traditions
    typically translates out into meaning something akin to "breath".
    Vital energy, as Bardon presents it, contains roughly equivelent
    amounts of the electric and magnetic fluids. Finially, the element
    Earth, which really isn't a true element within the Kabbalahistic
    sense of the term, is the direct consequence of the union of Fire,
    Water and Air. The Heh final is the result of the combining and
    permuting of all of the Hebrew letters, as shown within the Sepher
    Yetzirah with only the first three letters of IHV. This is a more
    Kabbalahistic viewpoint as opposed to a Hermetic viewpoint.

    Also, if you look at the picture of the Third Tarot Key, in the
    inside square that results from the golden burst of akasha, you'll
    note that the colour symbolism, starting from the top right and going
    counter clockwise is: red, green, blue, brown. Or rather; Fire,
    Water, Air, Earth. Thus indicating that Bardon knew both the Hermetic
    associations, as well as the more traditional Kabbalahistic one.

    Love and Live well,
    Peter Reist

    --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Miller"
    <qwertyguy3@h...> wrote:
    > I'm by no means an expert Kabbalist, but I find the progression of
    Fire,
    > Water, Air to be the more logical choice for two reasons. First,
    Moryason
    > says "Air 'surges' from the Akasha after the Fire (Akashic) and
    before the
    > Water", when this does not follow from the analogy of air in the
    natural
    > world. In order for air to flow, it must go from an area of high
    pressure
    > to an area of low pressure. To say that the Air "surges" assumes
    that
    > there was some contractive, accepting thing for the air to flow
    into. This
    > is the very definition of what water is meant to represent. The
    second
    > reason is that Fire calls for Water to exist as soon as the first
    is
    > created, but Air is only needed when it is necessary to communicate
    or flow
    > between the first two. Fire and Water are polar opposites, and one
    can not
    > exist with out assuming the existence of the other. The concept of
    Air
    > expresses a flow of something, and as mentioned before, there must
    be an
    > expansive and a contractive force for this flow to occur.
    >
    > Hope this helps,
    > Stephen M.
    >
    > >From: "Jeudy, Olivier [AUDT]" <olivier.jeudy@n...>
    > >Reply-To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
    > >To: <BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com>
    > >Subject: [BardonPraxis] YHVH-Tetragrammaton
    > >Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:46:29 +0900
    > >
    > >Dear All,
    > >
    > >I have a problem with the individual letter-to-element
    associations of the
    > >tetragrammaton in KTQ.
    > >Alexandre Moryason, publisher of Bardon's work in France, in
    its "Lumiere
    > >sur le Royaume" p. 119, adopts the same associations as Franz
    Bardon in its
    > >KTQ i.e: Y=Fire, H=Air, Vav=Water, and the final H=Earth. Rawn
    Clark, in
    > >its commentary upon the theory of KTQ explains that the
    association should
    > >instead read: Y=Fire, H=Water, V=Air, and the final H=Earth.
    > >
    > >How can these seemingly different correspondances be reconciled??
    > >
    > >While I am nowhere near practicing KTQ, it is important for me to
    have at
    > >least a basic understanding of what the associations are. I have
    read
    > >Rawn's commentary upon KTQ's theory, as well as his marvellous
    commentary
    > >upon the Table of Hermes and understood his explanations as to why
    the
    > >sequence of formation should read: Fire-Water-Air-Earth instead of
    > >Fire-Air-Water-Earth.
    > >
    > >I have also read Moryason's comments, which I very loosely
    translated as
    > >follows:
    > >
    > >"3-The Air
    > >Only the Divine Breath, the balancing influence between the two
    opposite
    > >elements, Fire and Water, allows for their interaction.
    Air "surges" from
    > >the Akasha after the Fire (Akashic) and before the Water (if a
    sequence of
    > >events could even be conceived...). Consequently, the Air
    corresponds to
    > >the Second Letter of the Divine Name, He (and not Water) and Water
    > >corresponds to the Third Letter (Vaw).
    > >Air represents thus the Divine Breath and if it is inexistant, the
    union
    > >between Fire and Water becomes impossible: death occurs; and it is
    truly
    > >what can be observed with physical breathing when it ceases.
    > >Air constitues also the vehicle of freedom, agility, the generator
    of the
    > >"Movement", of Life...
    > >
    > >4 - Water
    > >(...)
    > >The link between Fire and Water seems so self-evident that along
    centuries,
    > >certain Kabbalists have attributed to Water the position
    immediately
    > >following that of Fire, and to which corresponds the Second
    Hebraic Letter
    > >of the name of God, "He". This is inaccurate.
    > >Although it is actually true that Fire calls for Water and that
    Water calls
    > >for Fire, these two elements cannot communicate to each other.
    Their
    > >discrepancy is such that a Mediator is necessary so that their
    interaction
    > >can work and produce everything that exists in the Universe, in
    any
    > >existing Plane. This Mediator is Air, the manifestation of the
    Divine
    > >Breath, existing within every thing."
    > >
    > >The above passage I obtained from someone who has Moryason's book.
    I do not
    > >have the book myself.
    > >
    > >Any insight welcome!
    > >
    > >Fraternally,
    > >Olivier
    > >
    > >
    >
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