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# Re: A nice, sweet, mental sleep.

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- To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] A nice, sweet, mental sleep.
- From: A student <arbiter@...>
- Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:47:11 +0100
- In-reply-to: <bnrujv+8efp@eGroups.com>

    Dear NB

    What you describe sounds to me like "realizing that you are asleep", one of
    the cardinal points of the 4-th way (Gurdjieff). To me it sounds like a
    fine, deep realization at that ;-)

    Personally I have been thinking about an other side of this coin.

    Magic seems to be very much about will. In the step I. exercises (and
    generally in IIH) you are always having the element of will present. You
    are either observing your stream of thoughts, stopping it altogether,
    focusing on a specific object, etc. You are always DOING something.

    Sometimes I find, to use your words, a "nice, sweet, mental", not SLEEP but
    REST. That is, I don't DO anything at all. First, I have to *try to not do*
    anything, but after a while, this seems to be a real not-doing. It is as if
    my thoughts, and after a while myself, ceased to exist. Life goes on, and I
    know it, but almost without me. Mind you, this state I only keep for short
    periods of time.

    My rationalization is that perhaps for some people this comes easy, while
    for more nervous temperaments (busy-bodies) this can be difficult thing. I
    wonder how relevant this Will-less state is in the Bardon system. It feels
    more like a Taoist kind of thing.

    S2

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