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# Re: YHVH-Tetragrammaton

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- To: <BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com>
- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] YHVH-Tetragrammaton
- From: "Robert 3 EEE" <rapid3robert2000@...>
- Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:42:40 -0700
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- Reply-to: "Robert 3 EEE" <rapid3robert2000@...>

    Stephen,
    Those are good thoughts and make some logical cents. I have noticed that the
    function of the respective fire, water air and earth as well as all the
    letters works (for me) and so this is good enough in my world.
    Robert

    > I'm by no means an expert Kabbalist, but I find the progression of Fire,
    > Water, Air to be the more logical choice for two reasons. First, Moryason
    > says "Air 'surges' from the Akasha after the Fire (Akashic) and before the
    > Water", when this does not follow from the analogy of air in the natural
    > world. In order for air to flow, it must go from an area of high pressure
    > to an area of low pressure. To say that the Air "surges" assumes that
    > there was some contractive, accepting thing for the air to flow into.
    This
    > is the very definition of what water is meant to represent. The second
    > reason is that Fire calls for Water to exist as soon as the first is
    > created, but Air is only needed when it is necessary to communicate or
    flow
    > between the first two. Fire and Water are polar opposites, and one can
    not
    > exist with out assuming the existence of the other. The concept of Air
    > expresses a flow of something, and as mentioned before, there must be an
    > expansive and a contractive force for this flow to occur.
    >
    > Hope this helps,
    > Stephen M.
    >
    > >From: "Jeudy, Olivier [AUDT]" <olivier.jeudy@...>
    > >Reply-To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
    > >To: <BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com>
    > >Subject: [BardonPraxis] YHVH-Tetragrammaton
    > >Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:46:29 +0900
    > >
    > >Dear All,
    > >
    > >I have a problem with the individual letter-to-element associations of
    the
    > >tetragrammaton in KTQ.
    > >Alexandre Moryason, publisher of Bardon's work in France, in its "Lumiere
    > >sur le Royaume" p. 119, adopts the same associations as Franz Bardon in
    its
    > >KTQ i.e: Y=Fire, H=Air, Vav=Water, and the final H=Earth. Rawn Clark, in
    > >its commentary upon the theory of KTQ explains that the association
    should
    > >instead read: Y=Fire, H=Water, V=Air, and the final H=Earth.
    > >
    > >How can these seemingly different correspondances be reconciled??
    > >
    > >While I am nowhere near practicing KTQ, it is important for me to have at
    > >least a basic understanding of what the associations are. I have read
    > >Rawn's commentary upon KTQ's theory, as well as his marvellous commentary
    > >upon the Table of Hermes and understood his explanations as to why the
    > >sequence of formation should read: Fire-Water-Air-Earth instead of
    > >Fire-Air-Water-Earth.
    > >
    > >I have also read Moryason's comments, which I very loosely translated as
    > >follows:
    > >
    > >"3-The Air
    > >Only the Divine Breath, the balancing influence between the two opposite
    > >elements, Fire and Water, allows for their interaction. Air "surges" from
    > >the Akasha after the Fire (Akashic) and before the Water (if a sequence
    of
    > >events could even be conceived...). Consequently, the Air corresponds to
    > >the Second Letter of the Divine Name, He (and not Water) and Water
    > >corresponds to the Third Letter (Vaw).
    > >Air represents thus the Divine Breath and if it is inexistant, the union
    > >between Fire and Water becomes impossible: death occurs; and it is truly
    > >what can be observed with physical breathing when it ceases.
    > >Air constitues also the vehicle of freedom, agility, the generator of the
    > >"Movement", of Life...
    > >
    > >4 - Water
    > >(...)
    > >The link between Fire and Water seems so self-evident that along
    centuries,
    > >certain Kabbalists have attributed to Water the position immediately
    > >following that of Fire, and to which corresponds the Second Hebraic
    Letter
    > >of the name of God, "He". This is inaccurate.
    > >Although it is actually true that Fire calls for Water and that Water
    calls
    > >for Fire, these two elements cannot communicate to each other. Their
    > >discrepancy is such that a Mediator is necessary so that their
    interaction
    > >can work and produce everything that exists in the Universe, in any
    > >existing Plane. This Mediator is Air, the manifestation of the Divine
    > >Breath, existing within every thing."
    > >
    > >The above passage I obtained from someone who has Moryason's book. I do
    not
    > >have the book myself.
    > >
    > >Any insight welcome!
    > >
    > >Fraternally,
    > >Olivier
    > >
    > >
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