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# Re: Defining Hermeticism

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Defining Hermeticism
- From: Robert Spaulding <firstrobroy2000@...>
- Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:05:36 -0800 (PST)
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    Hi Eric:

    Thanks for your quote from Ouspensky. I have also read In Search of the
    Miraculous by Ouspensky. He has stated that negative emotions rule the world.
    But they also rule individual lives. Jung referred to the "collective
    unconscious" Maybe this is what the Apostle Paul was referring to when he spoke
    of secret faults. The more one practices self-awareness and that stateof
    consciousness which has been called mindfulness, the more they detach from the
    level of collective unconscious, which I believe Ouspensky called automatism
    and they slowly become a part of the circle of conscious humanity.
    As we endeavor to put into practice Hermetic principles we are drawn into that
    state of being, which if there is any answer to the world problems, this would
    certainly contribute to the answer.

    We know that the emotions are quicker than the intellect. The beast rises up
    out of the sea of emotions very quickly, before one can realize he has achoice
    in the matter, and one reacts to a particular circumstance out of habit. As
    Rawn wrote, it is a life-long process. To Know Thy Self, one's defects and
    weaknesses. would be the main ingredient
    to the path of fulfillment. I think denial and justification comes into play
    here, which prevents the clearing process and the more conscious one becomes,
    the clearer they are. But this only occurs through conscious effort.I don't
    believe it happens by just going to church on Sunday.

    I believe that Ouspensky wrote that the first steps to controling negative
    emotions is to just observe them, without doing anything about them. Then as
    one advances in this they can begin to analyze them as to the causal factors
    associated with a particular emotion.

    Thanks for your comments.

    Robert

    Eric Meridiano <ericmeridiano@...> wrote:

    >> And what about one's secret faults, those one is unaware of? There
    are times I find myself justifying being bored and I really have to work
    at not expressing this negative emotion. However, I am sure there are
    things deep within that need to be worked on. Does one become conscious
    of those by mastering the ones that he is aware of? <<

    It's a combination of transforming the faults you are aware of and being
    always mindful of yourself. You must continue introspection as a
    life-long habit.

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    01 Dec 2003

    May i add a little text i copied for a friend asking about Gurdjieff teaching
    on negative emotion, that could be relevant?

    Here it is, quotations from "the fourth way" by Oupensky. (mostly
    questions-answers on the system, good book!)

    Chap. 14 on negative emotions:

    "you said there was many ways of destroying negative emotions, what are they?

    _ 1st, you must Know them, you must know in yourself the most important
    negative emotion, you must begin with that.

    (...) but, 1st ant last, when you find negative emotions in yourself, you must
    understand that the causes are in you and not in other people, they
    areinternal, not external.

    -how can I struggle with n.e.?

    _1stof all, mind must become free from justification of it. Mind must be
    separate, must not identifiy. We have a certain control of mind, to a
    certainextent we can command here. If you decide not to justify a certain
    negative emotion, it is already the beginning of the struggle. (you must not
    find reasons for n.e., the cause is in you ...)

    N.E. must be divided in 3 categories.

    1st,more usuly, happens evreryday emotions. You must observe them and have a
    certain control over their expressions (...) then comes the question how to
    deal with the emotions themselves.. You must start dealing with them by trying
    not to identify as often and as much as you can, for they are alwys connected
    with identification, and if you conquer identification, they disapear.

    2nd, do not happens everyday, they are more difficult more complex e. depending
    on some mental process, such as suspicion, hurt feeling(...). You can deal with
    them by creating a rigth mental attitude, by thinking (when you are quiet),
    find the rigth point of viewand make it permanent. If you createrigth thinking,
    it will take all power from these n.e.

    3rd category, more intense, much more difficult and rare. Againt them you can
    do nothing. The 2 methods (creating rigth attitude and struggle with
    identification does not help).

    When this emotions come, you can do only one thing, you must try to remember
    yourself (with the help of the emotion)

    If you remember yourself, they may diminish and diseapear after some time, but
    for this you must be prepared."

    Eric

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