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# Re: Its like Im looking through a Fish eye Lens

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- Subject: Re: Its like Im looking through a Fish eye Lens
- From: "loumade_1999" <loumade_1999@...>
- Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 00:09:31 -0000
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    Why would it be a fisheye effect as opposed to something else? What
    I initially want to know is why does it happen one way and not
    another. Why specifically this fisheye effect. I was talking with a
    friend and I was describing an unintentional OBE a long while ago and
    it had this effect and she blurted out Fisheye effect because she
    experienced it, too. Two people experiencing the same effect just
    made me wonder "why it should be this way at all?" Forgive me, but I
    am going to be asking a lot of questions that I can only objectively
    perceive as mind numbing but the only thing that I can convince
    myself of being true in the bardon system without any doubt is the
    polarity of the two elements of Fire and Water. The Akasha, even
    theoretically based I am still struggling with because of this
    neoplatonist idea of emanations that I can't fully grasp as true. I
    am trying to move past faith. What is really going to be
    disheartening is if the answer is dependent on Bardonic dogma.
    (reminds me of an essay I read on the concept of Good, and the
    concept cant be divided into something smaller with other words.
    Unlike the concept of cogitation which can be subdivided further.
    Good has to be experienced like Salt to truly know its nature.) I am
    not interested in discussing techneques of OBEs but why it should BE
    at all (without the dogma if possible). I am trying to make this
    mine eventually.

    hee hee. Heres a thought, maybe I should put that out of my mind for
    the time being because it isn't relevant to my situation. Like a
    Buddhist not having a need for God because God's existence isnt
    relevant to the infant-like state we are in. :-)

    thanks for your time
    louis
    --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@n...>
    wrote:
    > Dear Louis (and Mark),
    >
    > If you wish to discuss the techniques presented by Robert Bruce,
    then I
    > ask that you submit your questions to one of the Astral Pulse
    discussion
    > groups. :)
    >
    > In regard to Bardon's system, such a phenomenon is indicative of a
    lack
    > of mental (and quite possibly, even astral) Equilibrium of the
    Elements.
    > In Bardon's system, this sort of phenomena does not occur since by
    the
    > time the student reaches Step Nine and begins astral wandering,
    both the
    > astral and mental Equilibriums are well established.
    >
    > In the case of phenomena having to do with vision, the Elemental
    > imbalance would naturally pertain to the Fire Element.
    >
    > My best to you,
    > :) Rawn Clark
    > 04 Nov 2004
    > rawnclark@n...
    > rawn@a...
    > http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis
    > http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe

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