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# Re: re: Practice Rituals & Doubting Yourself

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] re: Practice Rituals & Doubting Yourself
- From: "J Mouracadeh" <jij@...>
- Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:15:23 -0000
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- Reply-to: "J Mouracadeh" <jij@...>

    I would venture and say, you KNOW it when it happens and you know it is real
    and you are not daydreaming. It is true as Rawn said, if you go through the
    steps then it is a controlled experience based on the progression you have
    learnt through the previous steps. However if and when these things happen, not
    a ritual but spontaneously, then you feel it and you know it.

    Have you looked calmly, not intensely at a tree and felt you were part of it?
    Or seen the wind blowing in the willows and identified to the blowing air? If
    you have then you know it is not your imagination but a real FEEL it
    experience. Bardon allows you to wifully control it because as a Magician you
    are the Master of the elements and not merely a wondering soul

    With my best wishes

    jay
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    From: JSC_Magi <jsc_magi@...>
    To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:38 PM
    Subject: [BardonPraxis] re: Practice Rituals & Doubting Yourself

    Good day to all,

    First off let me ask a question. Does anybody do a kind of ritual
    when they do their bardonian exercises? I mean do you just sit on a
    chair or lay down somewhere and say " Ok, time do do my exercises!"
    or do you actually do a sort of ritual before you get into the
    bardonian exercises. By a ritual I mean like doing the Lesser
    Banishing, or a purification or lighting inscense?
    The reason i ask is that me and a fellow occultist have been having
    an ongoing debate/discussion for the last several years as to
    whether it is better to light inscense, do a purification etc, etc
    before starting the exercises or just to do them. My argument is
    that by doing a ritual like a purification and lighting inscense and
    a short empowered meditation/prayer for guidance before doing the
    exercises set up a kind of sacred energy aura to the practise, its
    help you center yourself and get into the proper mind frame. His
    argument is that by doing this you are setting up certains keys that
    your soul/mind/spiriy, whatever you want to call it, will need to be
    able to achieve the same results. In other words when you need to
    use your skills, such as in a healing, you won't be able to because
    your "Self" will need to tune into the keys to be able to access the
    energy needed because that is how you have conditioned your "Self"
    to tap into and access and use your skills.

    Next question. How does one learn to discern the difference when
    talking to spirits, or when doing mental travelling etc, between
    what reallity is and fantasy. I mean that when doing a tarot reading
    there is an unwritten rule that you should not do a divination on
    your own microcosm because you are too attached to the situation and
    will get cloudy resulsts. By this I mean since the answers and
    interpretations come through your "Self" wishfull thinking will
    influence the results and bring you the answer/interpretation that
    you are looking for. Now does this apply to tha later Bardonian
    exercises like mental wandering and contacting elementals? e.g. you
    are conversing with a spirit, or so you think, and get a reply. Now
    is it your own mind using information you already possess answering
    you or is it the real deal? In other words is this truly a magical
    experience wher you are truly contacting a spirit or just wishful
    thinking in other words a figment or your imagination? e.g 2. You
    are doing your mental wandering exercise things are going good,
    things are going great. You see your cat, your room etc. You go
    further out and as you do you see a car crash or something totally
    different like someone stealing your mail etc etc. Now how can you
    tell what is real and what isn't, did it really happen or where you
    just daydreaming?

    Hope I didn't confuse people too much but these are questions that
    have been nagging at me for a while and was wondering about other
    practitioners opinions and maybe even experiences if you are so
    guided by your "Self" to answer. Thanks to all for your replies,
    ideas and opinions.

    Lloddfafnir

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