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# Re: Digest Number 437

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- To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Digest Number 437
- From: Cecilia Lewis <loydcecilialewis@...>
- Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:15:26 -0700 (PDT)
- In-reply-to: <1083320255.565.74156.m12@yahoogroups.com>

    Hi Rawn,
    Just wanted to applaud your comments on defense. The highest form of martial
    arts roots deep in this wisdom.Thank You for putting it so well . In theold
    tradition, character transformation was part of reaching those so called higher
    abilities, but has been put aside because of a lack of understanding. And
    because of this, so to, the real power behind the original intention has been
    lost for most seeking further advancement on this path.
    Yours Loyd

    BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com wrote:

    There are 12 messages in this issue.

    Topics in this digest:

    1. Re: Sequence of Step One exercises
    From: Woce
    2. Combating evil Forces
    From: "Peter Gower"
    3. Re: Combating evil Forces
    From: hilda cain
    4. Re: Combating evil Forces
    From: "Rawn Clark"
    5. Re: Digest Number 435
    From: "Rawn Clark"
    6. Black Magic
    From: "joa_adeptus"
    7. Re: Enhanced Physics
    From: "Daniel Gutmanas"
    8. Re: Black Magic
    From: "Daniel Gutmanas"
    9. Re: Re: Enhanced Physics
    From: "Rawn Clark"
    10. Re: Black Magic
    From: "Rawn Clark"
    11. Re: Re: Black Magic
    From: "adeptus"
    12. Intentions, and re. Black Magic
    From: "crimsonteabiscuit"

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    Message: 1
    Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:21:05 +0200 (CEST)
    From: Woce
    Subject: Re: Sequence of Step One exercises

    That's true !!!! I spent 4 years practicing with blinkers, and now I've been
    practicing with eyes and mind wide-open the all matter is being much easier to
    understand ! Each of the presented exercices can be used in the all-day life. I
    needed 4 years to see that reaching my mind but I never despaired !!!

    Woce

    Rawn Clark wrote:
    Dear Devin,

    >> First, once we master the observation of thoughts (OOT) and move on
    to thought control (TT), are we to *replace* OOT with TT? Or are we to
    add on the period of time it takes to do both exercises to our routine?
    <<

    I think you will find that you're never really done with any of the
    techniques that the exercises teach and that each one has its
    applications outside of the exercise context. In other words, while you
    do replace the OOT *exercise* with the TT exercise once you've mastered
    OOT, the OOT becomes a handy tool which you will employ as needed. It
    just won't be an *exercise* that you sit down and do for an allotted
    amount of time.

    >> Likewise, once TT is mastered, do we continue it daily along with the
    Emptiness of Mind (EOM) exercise? <<

    TT is a VERY handy tool. For example, your meditations about the theory
    section or your Soul Mirror issues are all a form of TT (thought
    discipline). So its not something you ever really stop, except *as an
    exercise*. Also, some folks find it easier to attain EOM if they first
    pass through TT.

    >> When we reach Step two, do we continue these exercises as well? <<

    EOM is to be continued (for life). TT however, is again used as a
    *tool* through all the future Steps, but is not an *exercise* in and of
    itself. For example the Step Two Sensory Concentration exercises are a
    *form of* TT.

    >> Also, regarding the impregnating breaths, once our desire is
    realized, and we move on to a new one, do we start the exercise over at
    the 7 breaths and add one breath each day until our new desire is
    realized? <<

    After reading your reply to Basim, I suggest that you focus upon the
    *time* you spend and not upon the *number* of inhalations.

    >> Sorry if this has been answered somewhere else, I couldn't find it if
    it has. <<

    I suggest that you check out the section of my website which is filled
    with excerpts from my public and private correspondence.
    http://www.ABardonCompanion.com/Corresp-Links.html

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    28 April 2004
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    Message: 2
    Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:14:13 -0000
    From: "Peter Gower"
    Subject: Combating evil Forces

    Combating evil Forces

    I would like opinions on the following. Is it part of the duty of
    one on the path to like bardon fight against the evil forces in
    existance? By this I mean evil orders like FOGC.

    Who indeed would the enemys of the brothers of light be.

    The Freemasons? The OTO?

    Does anyone have experiance of the above

    Peter

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    Message: 3
    Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:55:28 -0700 (PDT)
    From: hilda cain
    Subject: Re: Combating evil Forces

    Forgive my ignorations, ( and bad spelling), but who is FOGC? Hilda

    Peter Gower wrote:Combating evil Forces

    I would like opinions on the following. Is it part of the duty of
    one on the path to like bardon fight against the evil forces in
    existance? By this I mean evil orders like FOGC.

    Who indeed would the enemys of the brothers of light be.

    The Freemasons? The OTO?

    Does anyone have experiance of the above

    Peter

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    Message: 4
    Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:10:58 -0700
    From: "Rawn Clark"
    Subject: Re: Combating evil Forces

    Dear Peter,

    >> I would like opinions on the following. Is it part of the duty of one
    on the path to like bardon fight against the evil forces in existance?
    By this I mean evil orders like FOGC. Who indeed would the enemys of
    the brothers of light be.
    The Freemasons? The OTO? Does anyone have experiance of the above <<

    Making war on enemies does *not* increase positivity. All that does is
    increase and perpetuate the negative. It perpetuates conflict and war
    which throughout history has never *solved* anything.

    To say that Bardon fought against the "forces of evil" misses the point.
    Certainly he protected himself when his life was threatened but he
    didn't waste his time fighting against them. Instead, he spent his life
    focused upon *increasing positivity* and upon *increasing the light*.

    You don't brighten a dark room by stamping out the darkness. Instead,
    you do it by turning on a light.

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    29 April 2004
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    Message: 5
    Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:57:22 -0700
    From: "Rawn Clark"
    Subject: Re: Digest Number 435

    Dear Eric,

    >> Well, when I look our 93 Ford, I see rust. It makes me think of
    change, but not evolution (granted the chunks of rust found on our
    driveway may eventually cycle back into a Form 'more evolved' than one
    of 'Henry's better ideas!). <<

    This is an excellent example of how much one's perspective plays a part
    in their personal definition of change vs. evolution. From your
    perspective it's just change because at an emotional level you gain
    nothing from the change. However, from the perspective of the iron
    which composes the car, there is evolution afoot! ;-)

    >> These are the cycles referred to by the astrologers eg: a 'Day of
    Brahma', or the 'great ages'? <<

    Yes.

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    29 April 2004
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    Message: 6
    Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:26:36 -0000
    From: "joa_adeptus"
    Subject: Black Magic

    Hello to all!!!!!!

    I have a dude: from a "bardonian" :) point of view, is illegitimate
    the use of the so-called black magic under ANY circumstance? For
    example, if a person threats of death to you or tou your family, or
    hurts to your children, can be karmically incorrect for oneself
    making use of it? Is it unethical in every way possible? Can we
    generate a negative karma by omission of help to our family with the
    magic in these cases? (Obviously, I am talking about extreme cases;
    please don´t say to me: "hey, call to the police, etc..." Well,
    let´s suppose that the police ignores you). I don´t know if I have
    explained my dude clearly. I would like to know your opinions.
    Well, thank you very much for your attention :)

    JOA

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    Message: 7
    Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:38:34 -0000
    From: "Daniel Gutmanas"
    Subject: Re: Enhanced Physics

    Dear Rawn,

    > This is why I say it would be self-destructive. For example, look
    > where acting upon the scientific model of the physical universe
    > has brought us. I was commenting to a friend just yesterday that,
    > based upon that model, we have replaced streets filled with horse
    > manure, with air filled with carcinogens.

    Ah, this fits well with my thoughts - stemming from my conclusion
    regarding the possibility of such a model to only descirbe the 7
    lower spheres - and my worries. You see, I am aware of certain
    research being done into, what seems to me, as this area. They are
    getting some results, limited and not really predictable ones, but
    still results. I fear that just like today the air is polluted and
    mankind has a nuclear arsenal in its possesion, tomorrow will bear
    deliberate contamination and damage to the astral and mental as
    well, due to the exact same lack of understanding and responsibility.
    It is my hope that perhaps one day a magician will "oversee" such
    development, perhaps procuring a beneficial technology for the good
    of uninitiated mankind, instead of something destructive.
    Thank you for your thoughts and insight :) I think I'll spend some
    more time meditating on it by myself too now, for some reason this
    subject bothers me quite a bit.

    Sincerely,
    Daniel Gutmanas

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    Message: 8
    Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:52:46 -0000
    From: "Daniel Gutmanas"
    Subject: Re: Black Magic

    Dear Joa,

    As I don't know what kind of threat that person gave you
    (physical, "psychic/magical", etc - although in the case of a
    supposed "psychic" attack, I think the best response is usually just
    to ignore the threat, and not to get paranoid :) I can't give you a
    specific answer regarding your case, but I do have a general comment
    regarding karma and protection, at least from my point of view;
    If I understand you correctly and by "black magic" you mean harming
    the other person in magical ways, there is no need to use "black
    magic" at any point. Instead of harming him, I think it is much
    preferred to neutralize his attack (whether magically or somehow
    else obviously depends on your case and your current abilities) -
    this way, you'll defend yourself and those close to you, you will
    not incur karmic damage, and you might even nudge the attacker
    towards positive change too!
    Instead of trying to become the karmatic force for the attacking
    person by punishing him, trust that karma is universal, and he will
    learn his lesson eventually. Instead of focusing on him, focus on
    yourself: shield yourself (and those you wish to protect) from his
    attacks, meditate about your feelings towards him, and strive do be
    your best in this situation.
    That's how I see such cases.

    Sincerely,
    Daniel Gutmanas

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    Message: 9
    Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:55:50 -0700
    From: "Rawn Clark"
    Subject: Re: Re: Enhanced Physics

    Dear Daniel,

    >> I fear that just like today the air is polluted and mankind has a
    nuclear arsenal in its possesion, tomorrow will bear deliberate
    contamination and damage to the astral and mental as well, due to the
    exact same lack of understanding and responsibility. <<

    It is impossible to *permanently* damage the astral or mental realms.
    It is also impossible to *permanently* damage the physical realm as a
    whole. The damage we humans have done is limited to our planet and like
    all *things*, this too will pass away. The whole of human existence
    occurs within the blink of the Divine eye -- we are no where near as
    important to the Universe as we like to think. :)

    I suggest that in your meditations you try to step back from your
    emotional involvement in this fear and take a longer temporal view. The
    main thing that matters is what *you* do, *now*, not what others might
    do in the future.

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    29 April 2004
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    Message: 10
    Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:37:00 -0700
    From: "Rawn Clark"
    Subject: Re: Black Magic

    Dear Joa,

    There's a fine internal line between defending yourself and your loved
    ones, and getting back at someone who has hurt you. At the core of the
    difference is emotional motivation. Reacting out of fear and spite or
    to seek revenge, is all about how hurt or afraid *you* feel and has
    nothing to do with actual defense or protection. Nor does it have
    anything to do with *magic*. In order to perform *magic*, you must step
    back from emotional motivation. Granted, emotional investment plays a
    part in the power of one's magical effectiveness but only as a *tool*,
    not as a core motivation. A true magician is in *command of* their
    emotions, not ruled *by* them.

    I've had the opportunity to speak and work with several folks who have
    been the subject of genuine "psychic attacks" and not a single one of
    them had any success by *fighting* their oppressors on the same level at
    which their attackers were working. They only succeeded when they
    *protected themselves* through the application of higher forms of magic.

    And in my own life, when I come under this sort of attack, I never
    "fight back" or seek to in any way take revenge through harming the
    attacker. Personally, I don't *care* if they learn a lesson or suffer
    because of their actions against me. I simply protect myself and
    diffuse my attacker. In this way, the attacker is disempowered;
    whereas, responding in kind *only* empowers them. That is the nature of
    attack -- it thrives upon receiving the fear reaction from its victim.
    If the victim refuses to be a victim and does not reply in kind with a
    negative action, then the attacker gains nothing and has, in fact, lost
    energy.

    While personal ethics play a role here, the main issue is what actually
    works when you're confronted with an attack. :) For example, if some
    one is attacking you with a knife, then obviously you want to disable
    them in whatever way you are able. But going further and then trying to
    kill them because they had the gall to attack you is another matter
    entirely and this is where personal ethics come into play. Defending
    yourself is an instinctual necessity but taking revenge is an
    emotionally motivated *choice*.

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    29 April 2004
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    Message: 11
    Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:25:35 +0200
    From: "adeptus"
    Subject: Re: Re: Black Magic

    Dear Daniel,

    "As I don't know what kind of threat that person gave you
    > (physical, "psychic/magical", etc - although in the case of a
    > supposed "psychic" attack, I think the best response is usually just
    > to ignore the threat, and not to get paranoid :) "

    Well, I didn´t say that I have suffered an attack. I was only exposing a
    dude. But I am in TOTAL disagreement with you
    when you say that the best response is "to ignore the threat and not to get
    paranoid". Well, I don´t believe that
    a person that has been threaten of death by a dangerous person (an assasin,
    for example) has "paranoia". He has REALLY
    a problem, and to ignore that can put in danger his own life. If you ignore
    a problem when you really have a problem, then you are doing the same thing
    that the ostrich: to hide your head under the ground.

    "Instead of harming him, I think it is much
    > preferred to neutralize his attack"

    Well, let´s suppose that a woman is mistreated by her husband every day,
    physically and psychically. She informs on the police her case, but the
    police is absolutely negligent with this case (this is something very
    frequent in many parts of the world, unfortunately, and many women die).
    Well, could you say me what method must employ this woman to "neutralize his
    attack"? Sincerely, I haven´t got very clear how this woman could defend
    herself and those close to her (for example, her children, who, in many
    occasions are victims of the domestic violence too). The examples that I
    could put to you are innumerable...

    "Instead of trying to become the karmatic force for the attacking
    > person by punishing him, trust that karma is universal, and he will
    > learn his lesson eventually"

    Yes, it is very possible that the husband of the woman of the preceding
    example, after killing her, eventually will learn that lesson, that karma is
    universal.

    Like you see, I desagree with you in many points, but in any case, thank you
    very much for you attention. ;)

    JOA

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Daniel Gutmanas"
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    Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:52 PM
    Subject: [BardonPraxis] Re: Black Magic

    > Dear Joa,
    >
    > As I don't know what kind of threat that person gave you
    > (physical, "psychic/magical", etc - although in the case of a
    > supposed "psychic" attack, I think the best response is usually just

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