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# Re: Another Step One question - EOM and lucid dreams

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- Subject: Re: Another Step One question - EOM and lucid dreams
- From: "David Yeh" <ldreamr@...>
- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:33:22 -0000
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    Thanks Rawn. I think it comes up at different times for me, so that
    sometimes it is sleepiness and sometimes perhaps it is a deeper layer.

    By the way, I have noticed that I've had more lucid dreams of late,
    which I partially attribute to the mental exercises. I was wondering
    if there are any specific applications of lucid dreams or dreamwork
    in Bardon's Hermetics? Meaning, does he specifically address the
    development and use of this capacity or is that left to our own
    explorations? And which step, if the latter, is it appropriate to
    start that kind of exploration (because I've heard it said that it is
    not appropriate or safe to start exploring astral projection until
    some later step).

    Thanks,
    David

    --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@n...>
    wrote:
    > Dear David,
    >
    > >> What do I do if I am trying to practice emptiness of mind and
    > hypnagogic (pre-sleep) imagery keeps coming up? They aren't
    entirely
    > consciously controlled, more like random images that pop into my
    > head, and my mind is fuzzied from fatigue or something so I have a
    > harder time focusing. Should I just refrain from EOM practice if I
    > am somewhat sleepy, or is this a common phenomenon which represents
    > the next layer of "thoughts" to be eliminated? <<
    >
    > If this wasn't happening around your being sleepy, I'd say you were
    > encountering another of the many layers one encounters with
    continued
    > practice of the EOM. But since it is associated with sleepiness,
    this
    > sounds more like you're actually falling asleep and then waking up,
    > perhaps over and over very rapidly. I recommend that you practice
    the
    > EOM when you're wide awake. Which means either learning how to wake
    > yourself up or doing your EOM exercise at another time.
    >
    > My best to you,
    > :) Rawn Clark
    > 10 Nov 2003
    > rawnclark@n...
    > rawn@a...
    > http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis
    > http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe

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