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# Re: Re: Iterations

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- To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Re: Iterations
- From: Newbieonekenhobby <newbieonekenhobby@...>
- Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:37:35 -0700 (PDT)
- In-reply-to: <bevgoc+e2hm@eGroups.com>

    Dear Peter,
    Dear Andrew,

    Thanks for your answers.

    <<Actually, that's exactly what I've gone through time
    and time again. I would come to a point in my
    training where I was having real trouble with one
    exercise or another and I would finially just give up
    and go right back to the basics because this was
    a sign that I overlooked something that was really
    important. It really hasn't been until recently that
    things have been starting to move rather quickly.>>

    This is frequently part of my problem indeed.
    But in this very case, I felt compelled to re-initiate
    the process even in the absence of a blocking stone.
    Funny enough, I must recognize it is *now* that I face
    new basic problems even at thought control, now that I
    have taken ownership of those few aspects which
    emerged in the previous loop.
    Can you imagine? 8 knots after 1-2 weeks of effort!
    Looks a few things have to be digested indeed.

    <<One of the best things that I would suggest would be
    to go well beyond what Bardon says is necessary to
    have attained before moving onto the next exercise. If
    Bardon says you should be able to keep a state of VOM
    for ten minutes, then work towards keeping that state
    of mind for 15, 20, or even 30 minutes. Sure, it will
    be hard, and will take a lot of time and effort, but
    it will be well worth it in the long run. Or, at least
    it has been for me.>>

    Thanks for the good advice.
    In similar cases, a seemingly unrelated activity
    revealed useful to me, meaning reading the Theory or
    Kybalion again, although they do not indicate 1-to-1
    direct answers to the situations I'm in.
    I presently feel them more as "fertilizers" than as
    direct user guides. Sort of completely indirect
    strengthening, which helps when I'm getting "out of
    fuel" vis-à-vis certain activities. Maybe certain
    channels re-open themselves, giving me access to said
    fuel. Dunno.

    Funny recipes :-)

    <<Perhaps you are "sabotaging" your progress because
    you are dissatisfied with it?>>

    You may have a point, Andrew. This point is difficult
    to explain for somebody whose mother tongue is not
    English.
    I was delighted to have gone through some exercises
    after so many weeks, but suddenly I had to realize
    that "mastering" 10-15 minutes of thought control,
    VOM, etc., implied a lot more tome than just being
    able to use generic mental tools. This was valid for
    me and vis-à-vis the tools themselves, which, again,
    have a meaning which probably goes beyong the one of
    mere tools.
    Hence the need to "build for real what I only had in
    blue-print".

    Sorry for all this convoluted wording.

    Back to work, Newbie :-)

    Thanks to everybody for your help.

    Best regards,
    Newbie

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