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# Re: Flickering eyes

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- Subject: Re: Flickering eyes
- From: "basim326" <basim326@...>
- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:01:35 -0000
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    I thank the both of you for the help and advice, and I apologize for
    the lack of alacrity in my replying - I'm currently without Internet
    access except at the university, and since I live about thirty
    minutes out it's impractical to come to town whenever I'd like to get
    on the Internet.

    In any case - this has now gone from annoying to just plain
    bizarre... it seems that I've forgotten how to consciously view
    things in my mind's eye. Which is very odd - I have a very active and
    detailed fantasy life. I've analyzed this repeatedly, observing the
    way I "see" things when I'm fantasizing (and notably without
    flickering eyes), but whenever I try to replicate it, bam - there it
    goes. I have been able to do it on the same "wavelength" as the
    fantasy, so to speak, but then it's not so much that I'm visualizing
    a spoon as I'm concentrating on the concept of spoon. When I do this,
    my eyes don't flicker, but I'm not "seeing" the spoon in any sense of
    the word.

    I know I shouldn't be, but I'm truly sorry about continuing this
    thread of discussion - I simply have no idea what to do. It pains me
    to think that my advancement is impaired by something so... niggling.
    What the heck is this?

    - Basim

    --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Paulo Cunha" <mail@s...> wrote:
    > Hello,
    >
    > This is my first message to the BardonPraxis group so let me first
    > say hello to everyone and what a good place this is for open and
    interesting experience
    > and knowledge sharing!
    >
    > I am on my way through step one of Bardon's IIH, and I do sometimes
    > like to meditate or at least relax and just let everything go and
    listen to
    > my body/mind flowing with energy/thoughts.
    > When I do this, just like you my eyelids do not close completely
    and my
    > right one seems to like to open when I relax my face.
    > I found two interesting things that may help you as well:
    >
    > - If I am starting the relaxation, and my face is still
    wide "awake", the
    > eyelids seem to be closed (because I am forcing them, althought not
    intentionaly)
    > but when I start to relax, the muscles relax and
    > the lids go to, what I believe, their "normal" position for my
    current relaxation
    > level (i.e. if i am still wide awake and try to relax my face, they
    will be half open but
    > if I am already quite relaxed, they will be almost 100% closed)
    >
    > - Still, my right eyelid stays open just a bit most of the times
    unless I am very relaxed.
    > What I usually do is turn the lights off and just forget about it!
    I also started to do it
    > with medium lights on and "train" to forget about it... what
    happends is that you don't
    > care anymore about the light that comes through and at the same
    time because you
    > are relaxing, it will ultimatly close by itself! (well, actually im
    still trying to completely
    > forget about that light but I had some progress already... which
    means this could
    > actually work eheh)
    >
    > I hope this can somehow help you!
    >
    > All the best,
    >
    > Paulo Cunha
    >
    >
    > > Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:30:39 -0000
    > > From: "basim326" <basim326@y...>
    > > Subject: Flickering eyes
    > >
    > >
    > > After achieving a certain humility and working through Step One
    > > (again), I've finally re-achieved Step Two, only to discover a
    rather
    > > irritating problem of a physical nature.
    > >
    > > Whenever I close my eyes to visualize, my eyelids start wanting
    to
    > > flicker open, my left one more so than the right. Of course, this
    > > disrupts my concentration (since I would have one eye open and
    one
    > > eye closed in the midst of the exercise). After a few days of
    this,
    > > I've experimented and found that I do the exercise better with my
    > > eyes open. I've also tried holding my eyes shut with a hand and
    that
    > > enabled me to visualize as I normally would, but naturally that
    is not the
    > > way to do it. The whole thing is rather disheartening, especially
    since I
    > > know that either of these "shortcuts" would just set me further
    back than
    > > this flaw does.
    > >
    > > I am, of course, working on my elemental balance as anyone on
    Step
    > > Two would, but this strikes me as being a problem of a more
    physical
    > > nature. It only happens whenever I'm doing this particular
    exercise;
    > > whenever I'm going to sleep and thinking my good thoughts for the
    day, it
    > > doesn't happen. It might be psychological, but I've never had
    this problem
    > > before.
    > >
    > > I know that it's not exactly a philosophical dilemma that
    requires
    > > the shifting of one's entire paradigm, but... blast, is this
    > > annoying! Has anyone else had this problem before?
    > >
    > > - Basim

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