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# Re: EOM and "forgetting oneself"

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] EOM and "forgetting oneself"
- From: "adeptus" <joa_adeptus@...>
- Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:48:07 +0100
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    Dear Rawn,

    I must confess that the "Mastery of thoughts" exercise has me "dazed and
    confused" :) Like you say in your great commentary upon Initiation into
    hermetics, this exercise involves the attainment of a vacancy of mind or an
    absence of thoughts. But now you say that "Ideally, you are *aware* of
    yourself throughout the experience, but aware without thinking".
    To me, this is a great contradiction, because if you are aware, evidently
    you are thinking.
    Then, the inevitable questions are the following: How can you control the
    exercise in absence of thoughts? How can you return of that state if you are
    in blank? How can you have a great concentration without thoughts? That´s
    impossible, because to concentrate is always concentrate in something, the
    conscience is always intentional, like Husserl said. Other very different
    thing is that you could think that you have the ability of not thinking
    about nothing. But this has a name: self-delusion.
    Do you think that is it really possible don´t thinking about nothing? And if
    you really don´t think about nothing for ten minutes, after the exercise,
    what is the method to check your sucess? You´ll have to use like
    probationary reference the period of time that you were working the
    exercise. But if this is the case, then the mind wasn´t in a state of
    vacancy or absence of thoughts. I think this is evident, simple and logical.
    I don´t know what FB exactly meant by sucess with this exercise. It´s
    possible that I make an interpretation too literal of his instructions.
    Well, thank you very much for your attention and for your assistance. I
    expect that you clarify my dudes :)

    Joa

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
    To: <BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 6:46 PM
    Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] EOM and "forgetting oneself"

    > Dear Dan,
    >
    > >> So my question is three-fold. Firstly, am I doing things right?
    > Secondly, from others' experiences, am i actually achieving EOM?
    > Thirdly, if this EOM, what can I do to extend the time in this state
    > (since I do not know how to control when I "remember myself"). <<
    >
    > It does sound like you're coming close or have at least stepped into it.
    > However, EOM is not about "forgetting oneself". Ideally, you are
    > *aware* of yourself throughout the experience, but aware without
    > thinking. In other words, it's not a matter of losing consciousness and
    > then waking up, which is what you seem to be describing.
    >
    > I suggest that you keep working on it (obviously). EOM is something
    > that evolves, deepens and grows with repeated practice.
    >
    > My best to you,
    > :) Rawn Clark
    > 18 Feb 2004
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