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# Re: Fasting

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- Subject: Re: Fasting
- From: "Jason Paris" <jambay53@...>
- Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 02:51:39 -0000
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    Thank you Rawn and Pierre for your comments.

    > However, the final emotional state of terror that commercially
    slaughtered animals experience does effect their flesh and as a
    consequence does effect the person who eats that flesh. <

    In what way? Is it the physical body that's affected, or all three?

    > Many folks do find great value in a vegetarian diet in relation to
    their spiritual quest. <

    In what sense? Not having tried Vegetarianism, you've aroused my
    intrigue! I might give it a go! :-)

    >> Which might leave one wondering: "What *can* I eat with
    impunity?". I would suggest: "Anything you like!". Anyroad, I'm off
    to get a Big Mac or two......... ;-) ;-) <<

    > It depends upon what you mean by impunity. Surely those two Big
    Macs come with a high price to your health and to the planet in
    general. Ignoring consequences is not impunity. <

    Sorry, I was being flippant. I'm not seriously addicted to Big
    Macs..... ;-)

    This is difficult for me to explain, but I'll give it a shot.....

    It seems that whatever one does, there is a Karmic consequence. Kill
    an animal for food: negative Karma. Take the fruit of a plant
    without its permission: negative Karma.

    It would seem that even the most innocuous acts can attract negative
    Karma. And yet I understand that it's possible to "get off" the
    Karmic wheel.

    I'm thinking that the only way to get off the wheel is to redeem all
    of one's existing Karma, and - in the process - actually do
    *nothing*, so to avoid further attracting negative Karma.

    This feels like a circular reference to me, so I'm sure I'm missing
    something!! ;-)

    The only solution I can find is this: the attraction of negative
    (and, indeed, positive) Karma is more about one's *intent* rather
    than one's actions. Is there any validity in this?

    For example, while walking, one treads upon a blade of grass
    *without* the intention of causing harm. The consequence of that
    footstep is nonetheless violent..... but without the accompanying
    *intent* for violence, is the Karmic return negated?

    Which is what I meant by "Eat anything *you* like". For if one feels
    that the killing of an animal is "wrong" (by one's own conscience),
    then one may attract negative Karma by killing/eating an animal.
    However, if one's conscience is not bothered by such an act, then
    perhaps killing/eating *won't* attract negative Karma.

    And yet in each case, another being was murdered.

    I can more comfortably accept that there is a *trigger* for Karmic
    return (ie, Intent) rather than there being a vast list - somewhere
    in the Universe - of all "bad" acts and "good" acts and their
    respective consequences.

    Sorry, I'm sure this is all tremendously complex, and best
    *experienced* rather than described in words.

    All the best,

    Jason

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