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# Re: questions . . .

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- Subject: Re: questions . . .
- From: "peter_reist" <peter_reist@...>
- Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 20:21:53 -0000
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    Dear Rawn,

    >>>Yes. You could "learn the Letters" but not utter them
    Kabbalistically. In other words, when it came to working the First
    Key, you'd hit a brick wall. To utter the Letters Kabbalistically
    requires considerably more than just "learning the Letters".<<<

    >From what I've read, one would to unify with the divine. Something
    that I'm quite a ways away from, though I guess working with TMO IHVH-
    Adonai with regards to the raising of consciousness is one expression
    of such unificaiton with the divine.

    Yet, at the same time, with "learning the Letters" one learns how to
    condense them dynamically in a manner equivelent to the work with the
    Elements and Vital energy in IIH. Can not one use this sort of
    accumulation to effect changes as when working with the Elements? How
    would such a work differ from the Single Letter Key?

    >>>:) Is it any wonder to you now that Bardon spoke of the connection
    between magic and mysticism? Magic leads to a mystical outlook . . .
    it moves one to poetry because this is often the only way to even
    begin expressing the deeper reality.<<<

    Actually, it's a quote from William Blake, I believe. Though,
    personally I am very much of a poet. I've produced a number of poems
    relating to my practice in Hermetics. Not exactly sure they'd be
    appropriate to be posted here though.

    >>>Whether or not it was "safer" would depend upon your facility with
    the Elements. Once mastered, the Elements are "safe".<<<

    I was specifically wondering about the application of the Lights and
    the Elements upon another person.

    >>>Exactly! :) It's again the same pattern of progression illustrated
    by the IIH work. One begins with learning how to recognize the
    Universal Qualities as they manifest within one's own self, then how
    they manifest externally. Then one turns to manipulating those
    Universal Qualities, quantitatively within the own self and then
    externally. This personalizes the Universal.<<<

    So how does learning how to recognize these Universal Qualities and
    then start to apply them differ from uttering the Letters
    Kabbalahistically? Even without being able to utter the Letters
    Kabbalahistically, I can see that having a deep understanding of the
    Universal Qualities and how they manifest would be a great asset to
    the magician.

    >>>Hallelujah! ;-) You are the first person to reply in this way to
    that statement! In every other case, I've received either a passive
    acceptance or a querulous rebellion, but never actual
    understanding.<<<

    Well, there is a first for everything! :)

    Now, more questions:

    Part of the reason why I feel I've progressed up to this level of
    being able to percieve essential meaning is due to the fact that I've
    worked rather extensivly with the Archeaous, TMO IHVH-adonai, and the
    CSM. All of which deal with essential meaning in one way shape or
    form. Which would all seem to relate to the Fourth Tarot card because
    of this.

    With the Archeaous, when the three bodies are seperated, one is able
    to see varying degrees of essential meaning. Which is really
    interesting when you compare it to the various steps within IIH where
    Bardon doesn't start an active seperation of the three bodies until
    step 7. Yet, with the Archeaous one is able to achieve seperation and
    integration of the three bodies when one has only attained step two.
    When one attains the elemental balance work of step four, actual
    astral and mental wandering.

    TMO IHVH introduces the tripolar action through the unified three
    bodies. In addition to introducing a number of different levels of
    consciousness and how to move between them. Which naturally starts to
    produce a wider scope of vision. With the most recent lesson within
    TMO IHVH I can definetly see how it works with essential meaning.

    While I haven't worked with the CSM as much as I have with the
    Archeaou and TMO IHVH, it seems fairly obvious that when one looks at
    the tapestry that is the self, one has to be able to percieve
    essential meaning. Otherwise, if one is not able to percieve
    essential meaning, one would never be able to see the whole of the
    self.

    Now, Bardon also states that one shouldn't let other's know one's
    rituals for a variety of reasons. Yet here on your website you have
    quite a number of rituals. So, what's going on?

    Love and Live well,
    Peter Reist

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