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# Re: Re: What does it mean to become noble concerning passions?

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Re: What does it mean to become noble concerning passions?
- From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
- Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:11:41 -0800
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    Dear Ravi,

    >> ok . fair enough :-) I *thought* I was on topic :-) <<

    :) You were and are on topic. That's not the issue I was raising. My
    point is that this begs to be related to your actual experience . . .
    which you have now done. :)

    >> I guess this does reflect my experience in a way . But that is a
    long story . Suffice to say that when i created my mirror with "good"
    and "bad " attributes , with the "good" and"bad" coming from social
    conditioning and "socially accepted" mores, i found myself striving to
    become someone *I* didn't want to be . The "how *you* feel and think is
    good " meme , in one of Rawn's earlier mails struck a chord and hence my
    posts . One simple example is an item on my mirror "Pride" . I plonked
    this into the "black" mirror and intended to work towards being "humble"
    (culturally pride = bad, humility == good ).On reflection, i find there
    are TWO kinds of hunility , <<

    There are more than two kinds of humility and even more kinds of
    "pride". This is why I recommend that one not use such big words that
    encompass so many possible meanings and work instead with *very* precise
    statements that accurately describe *your* specific and unique character
    trait. It's not as simple as merely making a list of words -- they must
    each mean something *very* specific to *you*.

    >> I am now redoing my mirror based on who and what *I* want to become .
    <<

    Excellent! :) :)

    >> I guess in a nutshell, i find that many of my mirror items are
    misclassified and the "bad" items have components of"good" and vice
    versa .Now my mirror is looking very different , and many of my
    "positives" and "negatives" don't look anything like my "culture
    sanctioned" values . I guess there is still some residual confusion
    there . <<

    It is normal that as you learn about yourself and about the process,
    your Mirrors will change to reflect your own greater understanding.

    > What did you think Bardon's listing of the positive and negative
    > characteristics was about if not a *universal* statement of positive
    > BEing?
    >> Ahhh but i thought we should NOT rely on BArdon's charactersitics? <<

    I believe that what I have said is that his list is not *enough* and
    that while it might provide some general ideas we must not *rely* upon
    it in whole. In other words, it does no good to just copy down the
    words Bardon listed that we identify with. We *must* come up with our
    *own* descriptions that accurately describe what *we* see inside of
    *our* selves because, regardless of the fact that there are shared
    Universal principles underlying our characters, we each express/manifest
    them *uniquely*. Bardon could only point to or hint at these Universal
    principles in very broad terms but could not have described their
    *infinite* variety of expression.

    > How *you* feel *inside* is not rooted in your culture. It is
    *modified*
    > by your culture, but the root is in *you* (i.e., the Individual Self).
    >> ok . i need to think on this further . <<

    I recommend that in addition to thinking about it further, you also
    *observe* yourself in action. Analyze *yourself* instead what you
    theorize are the possible motivations of others

    >> i often found myself trying to be "humble" magnanimous" etc and
    feeling and being very ineffective in real world situations consequently
    . <<

    Then perhaps you are not being true to what these things really mean to
    *you* or true to how *you* really feel in those situations.

    >> I was just trying to make the point that with mirror work one should
    become MORE effective not less in the physical world and if not there
    is something wrong . I am sure it is blindingly obvious to lots of
    people. :-| <<

    Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say it's blindingly obvious to *lots*
    of people. ;-) It is however a very valuable gauge of how you're doing
    with your character transformation. By definition, when successful, the
    character transformation *does* render you more effective in every
    aspect of your life. If it's having the opposite effect then yes,
    something is "wrong" with your process.

    My best to you as always,
    :) Rawn Clark
    23 Jan 2005
    rawnclark@...
    rawn@...
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