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# Re: desire in hermeticism

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- Subject: Re: desire in hermeticism
- From: "hermetics10" <hermetics10@...>
- Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:10:59 -0000
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    Frater Serpentis Satori,

    I don't know about Buddhist techniques from experience but it seems
    that they are productive techniques, and I am interested in learning
    some of them.

    I see what you mean about the Japanese schools. I think you can just
    take what is useful and works from different places just like Bardon
    and other advanced adepts. Even Bruce Lee did this with his martial
    art, and he made it a important principle: using what works.

    beginner

    --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, Serpentis Satori
    <serpentsatori@y...> wrote:
    > LVX
    > I did recieve the first one, I was just considering my response.
    > Escapsism does go against most of the Tenants of Western Magick
    (from Alchemy to Qabalah, Enochian & RC, as well as FreeMasonry and
    Druidic Paths). Buddhism, though can be a useful series of
    techniques in Yoga, for any Magickian. A sort of Martial Arts for
    the Mind.
    > Many of Bardon & Crowley's Techniques borrow heavily from
    Buddhism, the Soul Mirror for one. That origin does not change, that
    they are useful.
    > Nor are all Buddhist Systems "escapist" Zen, Dzogchen and a few
    (mostly Japanese Schools) are about limiting suffering caused by
    Attachment & Impermance, while Purifying our Inner Buddha or True
    Self, much like Western Hermeticism.
    > LVX
    > Frater Serpentis Satori
    >
    > hermetics10 <hermetics10@y...> wrote:
    >
    > Frater Serpentis Satori,
    >
    > You can't mitigate suffering but I've always thought that to want
    to
    > escape life because suffering exists and is possible is too much.
    > I'm not really a fan of Buddhism.
    >
    > beginner
    >
    > --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, Serpentis Satori
    > <serpentsatori@y...> wrote:
    > > LVX
    > > Just in that you lack an ego to participate in "human drama"
    > and "self-created suffering". You just handle it in a more
    detached
    > way, but in fact you come in contact with great suffering and
    sorrow
    > at that level, because it reminds you of the import of
    > Compassion/The Great Work.
    > > So you spend more time being selfless, and helping others who
    > seek Liberation.
    > > LVX
    > > Frater Serpentis Satori
    > >
    > > hermetics10 <hermetics10@y...> wrote:
    > >
    > > Frater Serpentis Satori,
    > >
    > > I was just thinking that when you reached the level of
    perfection
    > > then you would have control over how much suffering you would
    > > encounter.
    > >
    > > Ardeshir
    > >
    > > --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, Serpentis Satori
    > > <serpentsatori@y...> wrote:
    > > > LVX
    > > > Well Alchemic Hermeticism (Rosey Cross School at least),
    > > espouses something akin to the Buddhasitva Oath, that is often
    > > called Making the World Gold, or The Great Elevation which will
    > end
    > > suffering, but as you say, through a radically different means.
    > > > Evola wrote a book about Buddhism that is very good, and
    > > Crowley's teacher Alan Benet founded the British Buddhist
    Society,
    > > so this hybrid of both Buddhism & Hermeticism at least dates to
    > the
    > > Edwardian Age. Bardon seems very familiar with much of Tibetian
    > > Theory, likely Evens-Wentz as well.
    > > > LVX
    > > > Frater Serpentis Satori
    > > >
    > > > hermetics10 <hermetics10@y...> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Serpentis Satori,
    > > >
    > > > Thank you for your reply. I understood what you said. From my
    > > > understanding Hermeticism doesn't espouse Buddhism's goal of
    non-
    > > > existence and non-involvement which I ultimately see as also
    > > serving
    > > > the purpose of the cessationg of suffering though through a
    > > > different outlook or goal.
    > > >
    > > > Thank you again for your reply.
    > > >
    > > > beginner
    > > >
    > > > --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, Serpentis Satori
    > > > <serpentsatori@y...> wrote:
    > > > > LVX
    > > > > Hermeticism is focused on purifying ourselves, so we may
    > > rejoin
    > > > our divinity while training our Will in many sub-sytems.
    > Buddhism
    > > is
    > > > focused upon releasing us from the chains & imprisonment of
    > > > Ignorance so we will cease incarnation. These goals only
    > > > supperficially contradict each other.
    > > > > Hermeticism often sees The Will, as the only other
    Absolute
    > > > after The Creator/The Divine, and so it is spoken of in
    similar
    > > > reverance. This is the Arete of Homer, The True Will of
    Crowley
    > > (of
    > > > similar thought by Bardon check the list archives!), and the
    > > Purpose
    > > > of Matrix:Reloaded. The entire Path of Hermeticism serves this
    > > end,
    > > > every Grade Initiation or Exercise strengthen that, from
    > Banishing
    > > > Circle to Bornless One & Beyond.
    > > > > Buddhism is as Evens-Wynz put it " the ethical system for
    > the
    > > > science of yoga", and is not so much about Refusing Desire, as
    > it
    > > is
    > > > about Release from Attachments, though Lust/Hunger is an
    > > Attachment.
    > > > This is the Path to Enlightenment, the gradual freedom from
    > > > attachment until one is Enlightened and no longer imprisoned
    by
    > > > Ignorance.
    > > > > These goals, though stated as different, can be
    > > complimentary
    > > > and eventually I believe their will come greater synthesis
    > between
    > > > the Great Systems of the East and West. But to do that
    > Hermeticism
    > > > must be founded on truth, with Will and Evolution as its
    > pillars.
    > > > The complementary Buddhism is often Zen or Dzogchan, both
    > focusing
    > > > upon the Inherent Purity of all, but giving techniques to
    > remember
    > > > our perfection, much like Hermeticism.
    > > > > Feel free to post me privately if you need further
    > > > clarification in this,
    > > > > Frater Serpentis Satori
    > > > >
    > > > > hermetics10 <hermetics10@y...> wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > Buddhism views desire as a bad thing? What is Hermeticism's
    > view
    > > > on
    > > > > desire? Does desire impede becoming pure which is a main
    goal
    > of
    > > > > Hermeticism?
    > > > >
    > > > > beginner
    > > > >
    > > > >
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