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# Re: Real vs. imagined communication

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- Subject: Re: Real vs. imagined communication
- From: "Daniel Gutmanas" <noxerus@...>
- Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:28:32 -0000
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    Dear Rawn, Paul and Simon,

    First of all, thank you all very much for your opinions. Rawn, I
    believe I understand now - and just to make sure, would I be correct
    if I'd say that it is easier to perceive objectively in passive
    communication than in active communication?
    (Another question, just about semantics: would it be correct to call
    passive communication invocation of a lesser degree?)

    Paul, I'd very much agree with you, but I am nowhere near grade V
    yet (and won't be for some while, as my "inner voice" is telling me
    for a long time now to delay serious practice until the hormonal
    changes puberty entails completely set in :). I do know that
    achieving the astral equilibrium is the prime prerequisite for
    objective perception, and my whole vacillation was based on the
    knowledge that the same astral equilibrium, when taken *alone*, is
    apparently not enough for objective *active* communication.

    Simon, it would be very hard for me to add upon Rawn's words, but I
    must agree that as an Hermetic, one cannot let go of the question of
    objectivity and reality, and just decide it is irrelevant. To do so,
    in my opinion, would simply steep one further in subjectivity, and
    trap him in maya - instead of freeing him so he can experience the
    wider World. Besides, I'm positive that in many cases you most
    definitely can (and must!) verify what you learn in the higher
    spheres right here on Earth; whether you astra-mentally wandered to
    your neighbour and verified your findings later on during a
    conversation with him, or a spirit taught you some "technique"
    (unrelated to something you could have intellectually deduced
    yourself from what you already now) which later on you verified
    through actual practice.

    Thank you all,
    Daniel

    P.S
    Good luck with your artwork Rawn! Seems like you're having a good
    vacation :)

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