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# Re: Reality Versus Perception-to rawn&all

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- Subject: Re: Reality Versus Perception-to rawn&all
- From: "setiamon" <setiamon@...>
- Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 05:55:54 -0000
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    --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@n...> wrote:
    > Dear "setiamon",
    Thanks for the response,I guess that wasn't a very uniqe question
    then.I also think i understand what i means now,i'm aware of my astral
    body I belive or at least some energetic body in meditation i feel it
    circling in my clockwise(top view) and up the left and down the right
    side(front view) which i can't seem to alter no matter how much i try
    is this normal?I have yet to get into the work of PME and KTQ even
    though i have the books because no matter how many times i read it it
    won't stick and i assume untill i master the first excercises of IIH
    namly sustained One-pointness and vacancy of mind I won't be able to
    actualize the fallowing methods since so far my attempts have resulted
    in bizzare effects(shadowy figures hanging around my house sometimes
    with holes for a week after 1 attempt at a operation and general
    negative imagery in meditation that pops up including humanish figures
    with mouths that look like the inside of a sandworm from the movies
    like dune etc,as well as what suddenly appears like people i'v never
    met before popping up in my room,and a few times things i can't even
    discribe,I'm not sure if all that is the result of the subconciouss
    distraction one from illumination Makyo "devil manifestation" I belive
    they are called in buddhism.Or are they real entities?)

    BTW am i safe just practicing the IIH stuff namly the first part (one
    pointedness and vacancy) for as long or deep as i can because i'd like
    to seriously develop control and focus over my mind before advancing

    > >> for instance the idea earthgrid encaging the astral body,and that one
    > would be "punished" for trying to transcend this by the judges of the
    > sphere of saturn,is this merely a reflection of bardon's lifetime when
    > man had not walked on the moon and punchered that frontier,or is there
    > some reason man can physicaly pierce the atmosphere and walk on the moon
    > without suffering negative spiritual effects? <<
    >
    > If that was an example that an "experienced magickian" used to make
    > their point then I suggest you question their true level of experience.
    > ;-) Bardon's comment about the inability of the astral body to venture
    > any further than the Earth Zone was simply pointing out two things: #1)
    > the Zones *beyo
    nd* the "Zone Girdling the Earth" are aspects of the
    > mental realm; and #2) the astral body cannot leave the astral realm and
    > enter into the mental realm. His comment had nothing to do with the
    > physical earth or physical moon, etc. I suggest reading
    > http://www.ABardonCompanion.com/MQ-AP.html
    >
    > My best to you,
    > :) Rawn Clark
    > 01 Aug 2004
    > rawnclark@n...
    > rawn@a...
    > http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis
    > http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe

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