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# Re: First 3 steps- questions-experience-clarification

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- To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: Re: First 3 steps- questions-experience-clarification
- From: "sineadoconnorfan" <sineadoconnorfan@...>
- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 03:08:08 -0000
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    I don't see how a thought or train of thought can originate by
    itself without your own intention and involvement in the thought, so
    I don't understand how you can be a detached observer to thoughts
    because the act of detaching yourself also stops any thought from
    coming into being. I guess what Bardon meant was go into a stream o
    thought mindset and just keep track of your thoughts although he
    specifically used the words detached observer. I just don't see how
    you can have thoughts without thinking them.

    The only time that I had the experience of thoughts being indepently
    born in my mind was in dreams.

    Ardeshir

    --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Photon" <shadowphoton@y...>
    wrote:
    >
    > LVX
    >
    > Another way to put it would be dont be the catalyst or impulse of
    the
    > thought, AND dont be the neutralizer of the thought. Your not
    trying
    > to hold onto it, it doesnt matter if it comes or goes, how long it
    > stays, or what it is about. Neither begin nor end it, but let it
    have
    > its independant existence as you, the observer, have yours,
    because
    > afterall you are not your thoughts, but merely put them on like a
    > garment to explore knowledge with.
    >
    > LVX
    > Frater ha-sufah
    >
    > --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@n...>
    > wrote:
    > > Dear Andrej,
    > >
    > > >> in the first step, in the mind exercise i have to observe the
    > ideas,
    > > the mind, but i still dont know what exactly this *observe*
    means.
    > Do i
    > > have to concentrate on this ideas? if not, i still must *see*
    them.
    > And
    > > to see them, i need to concentrate, or not? <<
    > >
    > > "Observe" means to watch. I compare it to sitting at a cafe and
    > simply
    > > watching and listening the other patrons at the cafe. You sort
    of
    > > eavesdrop on the conversations happening around you but you don't
    > > participate in them. With the first mental exercise, you do not
    > > *participate* in whatever is happening within your mind and you
    do
    > not
    > > *react* to whatever happens (this is a form of participation).
    All
    > you
    > > do is attentively observe. :)
    > >
    > > My best to you,
    > > :) Rawn Clark
    > > 16 Dec 2004
    > > rawnclark@n...
    > > rawn@a...
    > > http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
    > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis
    > > http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe

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