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# Re: Re: Fasting

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Re: Fasting
- From: "Steven Knudson" <s.knudson@...>
- Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:22:24 -0600
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- Reply-to: "Steven Knudson" <s.knudson@...>

    I don't think closing our eyes from our consciences is how we solve the karma
    difficulty. What we need to do is just strive to be
    responsible and wise and prudent. We need to walk the middle of the road,
    tending to both sides, this is divinity. comprehending
    the propriety of it is a totaly different matter. Perfect love casts away fear,
    but not because it closes eyes from danger. That's
    the best I can lay it down.

    steve

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Jason Paris" <jambay53@...>
    To: <BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 8:51 PM
    Subject: [BardonPraxis] Re: Fasting

    Thank you Rawn and Pierre for your comments.

    > However, the final emotional state of terror that commercially
    slaughtered animals experience does effect their flesh and as a
    consequence does effect the person who eats that flesh. <

    In what way? Is it the physical body that's affected, or all three?

    > Many folks do find great value in a vegetarian diet in relation to
    their spiritual quest. <

    In what sense? Not having tried Vegetarianism, you've aroused my
    intrigue! I might give it a go! :-)

    >> Which might leave one wondering: "What *can* I eat with
    impunity?". I would suggest: "Anything you like!". Anyroad, I'm off
    to get a Big Mac or two......... ;-) ;-) <<

    > It depends upon what you mean by impunity. Surely those two Big
    Macs come with a high price to your health and to the planet in
    general. Ignoring consequences is not impunity. <

    Sorry, I was being flippant. I'm not seriously addicted to Big
    Macs..... ;-)

    This is difficult for me to explain, but I'll give it a shot.....

    It seems that whatever one does, there is a Karmic consequence. Kill
    an animal for food: negative Karma. Take the fruit of a plant
    without its permission: negative Karma.

    It would seem that even the most innocuous acts can attract negative
    Karma. And yet I understand that it's possible to "get off" the
    Karmic wheel.

    I'm thinking that the only way to get off the wheel is to redeem all
    of one's existing Karma, and - in the process - actually do
    *nothing*, so to avoid further attracting negative Karma.

    This feels like a circular reference to me, so I'm sure I'm missing
    something!! ;-)

    The only solution I can find is this: the attraction of negative
    (and, indeed, positive) Karma is more about one's *intent* rather
    than one's actions. Is there any validity in this?

    For example, while walking, one treads upon a blade of grass
    *without* the intention of causing harm. The consequence of that
    footstep is nonetheless violent..... but without the accompanying
    *intent* for violence, is the Karmic return negated?

    Which is what I meant by "Eat anything *you* like". For if one feels
    that the killing of an animal is "wrong" (by one's own conscience),
    then one may attract negative Karma by killing/eating an animal.
    However, if one's conscience is not bothered by such an act, then
    perhaps killing/eating *won't* attract negative Karma.

    And yet in each case, another being was murdered.

    I can more comfortably accept that there is a *trigger* for Karmic
    return (ie, Intent) rather than there being a vast list - somewhere
    in the Universe - of all "bad" acts and "good" acts and their
    respective consequences.

    Sorry, I'm sure this is all tremendously complex, and best
    *experienced* rather than described in words.

    All the best,

    Jason

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