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# Re: Feminine / Masculine Balance

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- Subject: Re: Feminine / Masculine Balance
- From: "JoePass" <jcanslim@...>
- Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:13:13 -0000
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    Tim...thanks for your response, but maybe I should clarify....I'm
    interested in knowing how I should deal with the presuppositions that
    have taken up residence in me because of my upbringing (I am a
    Baptist minister's son) and the modifications of these "assumptions"
    that I have accepted along the way. What is taboo in some religious
    disciplines is standard fare in others.

    I have difficulty believing that "what is true for me is true." If I
    am to ascertain "negative" and "positive" traits in soul mirror work,
    how do I deal with these presuppositions?

    Thanks.....John

    --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <timentwistle@h...> wrote:
    > Dear RM and all
    >
    > I like the question you posed, and it's one I considered myself in
    > years gone by before begining to working through IIH in earnest.
    > Though I have only been a Bardon practicioner for five months I
    feel
    > I have had the issue answered for me.
    >
    > During the five years since I began to call myself a magician I
    went
    > headlong and fearlessly (stupidly?)into all manner of practices
    > stopping short of direct evocation of 'demonic' entities - stuff
    that
    > would fall under the 'masculine' heading I guess. At times I have
    > felt that my sanity/life was on the line (especially whilst going
    > through some Enochian aethyrs, for example), but nevertheless I
    would
    > do it all again considering the results I obtained.
    >
    > However, ever since reading Bardon, everything I accomplished
    seemed
    > a little like cheating, since I was doing things on the back of
    > formulas (like the Middle Pillar formula, Lightning Flash, powerful
    > mantras, theurgy and so forth). These, in my opinion raise the self
    > to the necessary level for performing a task, but temporarily. And
    I
    > felt after operations that I had only got a 'slice' or taster of
    what
    > was there to experience.
    >
    > What I like about Bardon's method is that he begins with IIH - a
    > carefully set out program that if practiced in order and to the
    > letter enables the practicioner to accomplish magic by producing
    > everything needed from 'within' themselves at will any time any
    > place, and in a more comprehensive way than anything else I have
    ever
    > tried so far.
    > Personally, I find the practices from the start - 'controling'
    > thoughts, accumulation and balancing elements etc. to be quite
    active
    > or 'masculine' in their nature - and quite a buzz too.
    >
    > However, I still enjoy doing the 'bang-crash-wallop' stuff I have
    > always done too, and personally have no problem mixing the two. I
    > guess in conclusion, I must agree that the former does feel more
    > masculine to me too. But in reality it is only such at face value -
    > Bardon is equally 'active', but without the ceremony, at least to
    > begin with.
    >
    > So I hope I had added my pennies-worth in at least a fairly
    coherent
    > (if general) way - and hope others will add to or challenge this
    > perspective.
    >
    > T.
    >
    > --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Regulus Magus"
    > <RegulusMagus@h...> wrote:
    > > Good afternoon dear colleagues.
    > >
    > > For some time I have been thinking about the Feminine / Masculine
    > > axis of polarity and about Balance. I have hesitated to bring
    this
    > up
    > > for fear of causing offense where none is intended. Nevertheless
    a
    > > question not asked is wisdom forgone. So . . .
    > >
    > > It seems to me that Hermetics as described in IIH and as
    discussed
    > in
    > > this list is a little skewed towards the Feminine pole. Much of
    the
    > > emphasis is on meditation, passive observation of inner states,
    and
    > > learning "to be" in a higher sense of the concept. Although
    Bardon
    > > describes the actual doing of magick it doesn't seem to get as
    much
    > > emphasis as the more receptive exercises. Certainly on this list
    I
    > > don't read much about summoning power, casting spells, and making
    > > things happen out in the world - in other words, I don't hear
    much
    > > about the Masculine aspects of Hermetics.
    > >
    > > Is the focus of our discussions out of balance or (perhaps) is
    the
    > > focus deliberately skewed towards the Feminine to compensate for
    a
    > > culture that favors the Masculine?
    > >
    > > Sincerely, /RM/
    > >
    > > P.S. Please note that I am talking about Feminine / Masculine in
    > the
    > > esoteric sense - I'm not referring to specific traits of female /
    > > male members of the human species.

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