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# Re: Re: Remembering Aleister Crowley

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Re: Remembering Aleister Crowley
- From: "adeptus" <joa_adeptus@...>
- Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:41:40 +0200
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    Dear Rawn,

    Thank you very much for your reply. Well, it is not my intention, in any
    way, to initiate here a polemic about the importance of Aleister Crowley in
    the contemporary occultism because this forum is about the teachings of
    Franz Bardon.
    In any case, I would say that you musn´t be worry because you haven´t
    offended
    my own set of beliefs, simplely because I am NOT a disciple of Aleister
    Crowley in ANY form. So don´t worry about that! :)
    But trying to be honest to myself, I think that Crowley is, undoubtly, one
    of the most interesting, fascinating and influential magickal minds of the
    20th century, in other words, a genius. To me, there´s no doubt about
    this.Yes, he was a very damage person: addicted to drugs, manipulator of the
    persons, extremely arrogant, insincere, etc. But in my opinion, his "good
    side" musn´t be underestimated: an extraordinary intelligence, the more
    higher erudition, and an incredible talent and ability for magick. If
    someone wants to write a history of the occult arts, in any way can ignore
    the name of Aleister Crowley. It is impossible. That would be like writing a
    history of "academic" philosophy with the exclusion of Platón, Aristóteles
    or
    Friedrich Nietzsche. In that sense I said that it´s "inevitable" for "all"
    the students of the occult remembering to Aleister Crowley. If you are
    sceptical about the influence of Crowley, you only have to take a look to
    many of the nicknames and e-mail adresses of some persons of this forum; you
    will find in them very clearly a crowleian reminiscence.
    You say that the phrase "Love is the Law, Love under Will" is not original
    to Crowley. Well, but then, whose is the original author? I know that
    P.B.Randolph, a predecessor of Crowley had a similar phrase: "Will reigns
    Omnipotent; Love lieth at the Foundation". Did you refer to Randolph when
    you said that Crowley is not the original author? In any case, what Bardon
    proclaims in IIH is not the Randolph´s formulation of the phrase. He says
    clearly, as you know, "Love is the law, but love under a strong will" (I
    translate directly from the spanish edition, literally).
    Of course I am in total accord with you when you say that the genuine
    hermetic initiation musn´t be about following the "revelations" of other
    people. I have absolutely no doubt about that.

    Well, Rawn, thank you very much for your patience, help and attention!!!!!
    ;)

    JOA

    ----- Original Message -----

    From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
    To: <BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 1:30 AM
    Subject: [BardonPraxis] Re: Remembering Aleister Crowley

    Dear Joa,

    >> I think that today it´s inevitable for all the students of the
    occult to remember that exactly one hundred years ago (on 8th April
    1904), a young man called Aleister Crowley began to receive a
    supposed revelation in El Cairo (Egypt) from Aiwass, his Holy
    Guardian Angel: The Book of the Law. <<

    While I don't mean to offend your own set of beliefs, you have
    greatly overstated when you use the words "inevitable" and "all" in
    this context. :)

    >> It seems that Bardon had a great respect for "The Great Beast"
    because there´s a passage in IIH that has clearly the crowleian
    influence: "Love is the Law, Love under Will". Bardon wrote this, but
    curiously he didn´t make any
    mention about Crowley. <<

    That phrase is not original to Crowley. But even if he was in fact
    quoting Crowley, there's no indication of exactly how Bardon felt
    about Crowley.

    >> I haven´t got very clear what is the "bardonist":) attitude on
    Crowley. Did Bardon believe in the authenticity of that "revelation"?
    What was really his opinion about Crowley and what was the real
    grade of influence of Crowley on Bardon in the creation of IIH? <<

    Bardon didn't say.

    >> Rawn, I have observed that you don´t make any mention on Crowley
    (for example in your "anotated bibliography" there is not any book of
    Crowley. To me, this is highly surprising because his influence on
    FB is evident, like I said before). Do you consider him a black
    magician? What is your personal opinion about him and his system of
    training? Can you clarify me these points? <<

    Personally, I find no value in Crowley's writings and I do not see
    any "evidence" of his influence upon Bardon's system.

    Hermetic initiation as Bardon presented it is not about following
    another person's revelation. Instead, it is about empowering the
    student's own abilities to attain their own personal "revelations".

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    08 April 2004
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