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- Subject: Dudes
- From: "joa_adeptus" <joa_adeptus@...>
- Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:52:47 -0000
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    Dear Rawn:

    Thank you for your attention. It made me so happy receive your
    answers, but I must to say I haven´t got very clear some things.
    In your answer to my first question, you seem to consider correct
    those attributions. Well, here in Spain there are two translations
    of IIH, one translated by a person called Manuel Algora Corbí (the
    Luis Cárcamo edition) and other translated by José Aguado (the
    Mirach edition)and the two say things completely different about the
    subject in the section under the heading "The soul or astral body".
    The first edition says the following (I translate directly from
    spanish): "The phlegmatic temperament is born from the watery
    element, and the melancholic (temperament)is appointed to the
    terrestrial element". Well, let´s go with the Mirach edition: "the
    melancholic (temperament) is born from the watery element and the
    phlegmatic (temperament) is atributted to the terrestrial element".
    Well, after this exposition I have two questions to make:
    1)What is exactly the right version and why?
    2)Why do you seem consider like correct in your answer the second
    version if the first is in total accord with the ancient tradition
    of the four temperaments?
    Well, thank you very much for your attention. :)

    joa

    - In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@n...>
    wrote:
    > Dear Joa Adeptus,
    >
    > Welcome to BardonPraxis! :)
    >
    > >> 1)In a book called "Franz Bardon:questions and answers" I have
    read
    > the following related to the elements: "The melancholic
    temperament is
    > analogous to the Water element" and "the phlegmatic temperament is
    > analogous to the Earth element". Is this right? <<
    >
    > Yes. He also wrote about this in the Theory section of IIH, under
    the
    > heading of "The Soul or Astral Body".
    >
    > >> 2)Is it really possible not thinking about nothing? It seems to
    me
    > impossible, because the mind is always thinking about something.
    If you
    > say that you are not thinking about nothing, then I suspect that
    your
    > thought is: "I am thinking about nothing" Am I wrong? <<
    >
    > Yes, you are wrong. Thinking "I am thinking about nothing" is
    still
    > thinking and that is not an emptiness or vacancy of mind. This
    exercise
    > *IS* possible as many here have proven through their own
    efforts. :) I
    > suggest that you visit the "Correspondence Excerpts" page on my
    website.
    > http://www.ABardonCompanion.com/Corresp-Links.html There you
    will find
    > a lot of information about this exercise and others. I also
    recommend
    > my "Commentary Upon" IIH, Step One in particular.
    > http://www.ABardonCompanion.com/IIH-Step1.html
    >
    > >> 3)The exercise of attributions to the elements of
    charasterictics of
    > personality is to me very very complicated and subjective. What is
    the
    > correct form of making these attributions? <<
    >
    > Well, at this stage it is very subjective. Bardon clearly stated
    what
    > must be done. You must meditate upon each item of your lists and,
    based
    > upon your meditations about the Elements themselves, you must
    decide
    > which Element the item corresponds to.
    >
    > Again, I recommend visiting the two links above.
    >
    > >> 4)Is it normal that in certain moments or in certain days the
    > exercises don´t go very well? Per example, when I practice the
    first
    > execise (observing the thoughts two times a day) the second time is
    > never better than the first. It´s strange. <<
    >
    > Yes, that is a fairly normal experience. As you progress however,
    this
    > becomes less and less.
    >
    > >> Can it be that the mind is tired with the exercise of the first
    time?
    > (well, it can be interesting to say that I don´t practice in the
    > morning, but in the afternoon and at night before sleeping. Is it
    > right?) <<
    >
    > Well, if you're tired in the evening then your performance will
    > naturally reflect your tiredness. These exercises require mental
    > alertness, so you might want to refresh yourself just before your
    > evening session. A splash of cold water on your face or a bit of
    > exercise both do wonders. :)
    >
    > My best to you,
    > :) Rawn Clark
    > 08 Dec 2003
    > rawnclark@n...
    > rawn@a...
    > http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis
    > http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe

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