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# Re: Re: What does it mean to become noble concerning passions?

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Re: What does it mean to become noble concerning passions?
- From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
- Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:49:41 -0800
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    Dear Ravi,

    One thing I was trying to get across in my last reply to Patrik is that
    when we get down with our radical self-honesty to that voice of the
    conscience which informs us of how *we* truly feel about something, we
    are being informed by our Greater Self, through our Individual Self.
    *That* voice is not colored by *personal* concerns even though it is
    made relevant *to* our personal concerns as it is filtered by the
    Individual Self. In other words, the level of Self that the quality and
    depth of introspection we're talking about *here* reveals to our
    *conscious awareness*, is not the level of Self at which the trappings
    of egotistical self-interest exists or is manifest. Those things are
    aspects of the *personality*.

    In the end, your question is moot since by definition some one who would
    think that such actions and attitudes would be positive has not reached
    down within themselves very deeply at all. They have not reached down
    deeply enough to reveal their essential self.

    >This requires an
    > absolute or "radical" honesty with oneself and here is where the
    > perennial analogy of the murderer or "black magician" is absurd.
    > By
    > definition such an individual would be constitutionally incapable of
    > this degree of self-honesty.
    >> ok i am confused here . why would someone be unable to look into
    himself just because he kills (say, a soldier or a spy) or practices
    occultism without understanding all the nuances of what he does (this
    would be the meaning of "black magic" from abrdonian pov rght?) and
    believes that invoking spirits and making pacts with them is the *right
    way* ? <<

    Sorry, that didn't come out sounding the way I actually meant it. :)
    What I was trying to say is that if some one, after supposedly looking
    within and analyzing their character, is still okay with their own
    psychosis (such as a murderer or "black magician") then they have not
    probed deeply at all but have just deluded themselves further and dug
    themselves deeper into a hole of their own making. It's not that they
    are "unable", per se; it's that they *haven't* and that their present
    constitution has prevented it from occurring.

    >> yes my concern here is that by this standard if a person always does
    what is right acording to your own "feelings" and "thoughts" , he could
    still end up doing very destructive things as viewed from the outside .
    <<

    You are applying or rather, assuming a "normal" standard when we are
    discussing an *abnormal* process of Hermetic *initiation*. This can't
    be compared to passively thinking that you're "okay".

    >> So would "balance" be culturally dependent ? <<

    True balance "fits" into the culture into which the Individual has
    incarnated, but the Equilibrium itself is not *dependent* upon the
    culture.

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    21 Jan 2005
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