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# Concentration,IIH to all

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- Subject: Concentration,IIH to all
- From: "setiamon" <setiamon@...>
- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:18:47 -0000
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    I have been practicing raja yoga for about 10 years,not as steadily as
    i should at times but generaly my meditation has focused on seed and
    seedless meditation which is identical to bardons basic 1 pointed and
    vacancy meditation,my question is have any of you achived mastery of
    this ability yet for with me i'v managed to stay focused,and alert
    instead of falling asleep and sustain my excercise for about 3 hours a
    night at times,I am surprised when i hear people saying they mastered
    this faculty of concentration in oh 5 minutes a day for a few months
    and i find that hard to belive unless my method is lacking so i intend
    to discribe my experience and reoutine and let more experienced
    members point out my flaw

    I start usually with a object,like a apple,Then i just focus on this
    object and try and close down the surrounding thoughts encircling it
    When it becomes just the object i noticed at this point(if the room is
    totaly silent) i don't get Intrusions of personal thought like
    relating to activities of the day or things going on but what i label
    Chaos thought,threads meaningless conversations sometimes in other
    voices and sounds and impressions coming in from around me as if from
    outside,these i find impossiable to stop from intruding in my mind
    even if i can get my mind to stay on the object.Sometimes I Even feel
    a sudden "tug" and find myself at times "looking" at my room(even
    though my eyes close) sometimes i see just my room sometimes i see
    strange things...like people i never met before,i don't know if these
    are "makyo" (junk from subconciouss distracting one from success or
    insight) or if these are Astral visions?

    second aspect i find unclear is how i should sustain the focus,at
    first i need to project it with my will but after awhile i find i can
    just "set" and let go of the initatial method...to explain it better
    its like initatialy i "project" the image onto the screen with my
    conciouss will and secondly i Watch the image with my unconciouss will
    letting most of my "conciouss" strenous will dissipate,Is this correct
    method?

    P.S Should vacancy be practiced Simultanious as Concentration or only
    after concentration is mastered?

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