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# Re: mind chatter : what plane ?

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- Subject: Re: mind chatter : what plane ?
- From: "Peter Reist" <preist@...>
- Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:32:25 -0000
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    MJ,

    By all means, play the devil's advocate. If you are familiar with the
    manner in which Rabbi's study you no doubt know the imporatance of
    the devils advocate.

    The major problem that I see is that you are making the equation:
    mind chatter = the monkey mind and since the monkey mind is an
    unwanted state, therefore mind chatter is an unwanted state of mind.
    A perfectly logical sylogism A is B; B is C; therefore A is C. Would
    be all well and good if all of the premises (ie. A is B and B is C)
    where true. Which is something that I don't find to be the case.

    Mind chatter can take numerous forms. It can be the monkey mind
    jumping all around, never attending to one thing for more than a
    moment, being swayed by the appetite and it's desires. Yet mental
    chatter can also range from the detached observation of a thing
    (observation of thought within IIH) to the intense concentration upon
    one thing and one thing alone (one pointedness). Or mind chatter can
    come in the form of complete vacancy of thought. While the latter may
    appear to be a state of mind in which nothing is occuring, I assure
    you that is far from the truth; there is quite a lot going on within
    the mind durring this state of 'emptiness'. Or rather, it is an
    emptiness that is waiting to be filled whereas with one pointedness
    and the observation of thought you are experiencing something that is
    more akin to a fullness that is waiting to be emptied.

    We thus find that four primary states of mind that exist upon a
    continum: the monkey mind, emptiness of thought, one pointedness, and
    finially vacancy of thought. The latter three being the primary basis
    upon which the whole of IIH is founded upon which can be tentativly
    ascribed the elemental attributions of water, air and fire
    respectfully. Or at least those would be the attributions that I
    would make from my own personal work with the Archeaous.

    Each one of these exercises is harder than the next, and requires the
    scholar to have mastered the exercies prior; no one of these
    exercises is more valuable, or "powerfull" than the next. Thus I find
    the best way to image them would to be as the three points of a
    equalateral triangle. For from each point one can smoothly shift to
    either of the other two points effortlessly once one has a mediocrum
    of skill within all three exercises.

    While each state of mind is of equal value, in general, but within
    certian situations one state of mind may take presedence over the
    others. For example, if one is obsessing about a certian person, or
    situation, or matter, one is already within a one pointed, fixed
    state of mind upon that one thing. Though, at the same time, that
    state of mind is, most likely, improper. In which case it would be
    best to shift back to a more objective state of mind governed by the
    observation of thought. From which you should be able to tease out
    the how's and why's of such a situation, and hopefully how to rectify
    it. If this sort of thing doesn't happen to easily, shifting from
    observation of thought *on this matter* to vacancy of mind and back
    again has a tendency to give inspiration and insight into the problem
    (s) at hand.

    Moreover, while Bardon does suggest that the scholar maintain a state
    of one pointedness (ie. when walking, just walk; when typing, just
    type; and so forth) throughout the day to develop a strong will and
    intellect. He does not state that it is absolutely necessary. At
    least within the first few steps of IIH. Once one progresses a little
    bit farther down the path things have a tendency to change slightly
    in regards to this.

    Love and Live well,
    Peter Reist

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