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# Re: Initiation into the Mysteries

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Initiation into the Mysteries
- From: "spyburn@..." <spyburn@...>
- Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:29:24 -0400 (EDT)
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    May I also add to Rawn's response that guidance is also provided in your
    meditations and with Divine Providence!

    Sandy

    --- On Wed 04/06, Rawn Clark < rawnclark@... > wrote:
    From: Rawn Clark [mailto: rawnclark@...]
    To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 15:33:27 -0700
    Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Initiation into the Mysteries

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    Dear 'aha3996',<BR>
    <BR>
    >> In my reading over the years, many authors insist that one must have<BR>
    a personal teacher/"guru" in order to progress along the path. Others<BR>
    advocate that one needs to be linked to an order, via initiation, that<BR>
    has a lineage back to the original source of the mysteries. Rene Guenon<BR>
    advocates this position and then proceeds to tell the reader that at<BR>
    the present he knows of no genuine initiatory groups other than the<BR>
    shadow of them found in various existing groups of freemasonry. Franz<BR>
    Bardon seems to take the opposite view of not being bound by any oath or<BR>
    to any group or person with the alternative of following the path on<BR>
    your own. Any input out there on these divergent opinions? <<<BR>
    <BR>
    There are several factors here, foremost of which is that these authors<BR>
    were likely taught by others to think that way.  Other factors are that<BR>
    they were/are likely involved in a group, involved with a specific<BR>
    teacher/guru or are themselves looking for students and thus have a<BR>
    vested self-interest in others thinking as they do that a<BR>
    teacher/guru/group is *required*.<BR>
    <BR>
    Also, there are traditions and lineages of practice and dogma that do<BR>
    indeed *require* a personal teacher to learn since they are passed along<BR>
    only in that way or are so complex that they are impossible to learn on<BR>
    one's own.<BR>
    <BR>
    Bardon's statements about obligating oneself by oath to a teacher or<BR>
    group came from his own personal experience of groups and teachers.  His<BR>
    point however had little to do with dogmatic tradition but rather,<BR>
    pertained specifically to the essential *process* of Hermetic initiation<BR>
    itself, stripped of all self-interest and dogma.  The system he<BR>
    presented negates the prior need for such obligations because it<BR>
    encapsulates the essential work of initiation that, teacher/group or<BR>
    not, the student themselves must perform for themselves and on their<BR>
    own.  The work he described does not *require* a teacher or group<BR>
    because it is something no teacher or group can do for you  --  it's the<BR>
    work *you* have to do yourself whether or not a teacher/group is in any<BR>
    way involved.<BR>
    <BR>
    And there it is, all written down and it costs nothing more than the<BR>
    price of the book.  And, no oaths or allegiances are required!  :)  The<BR>
    only thing required is your own effort . . .<BR>
    <BR>
    My best to you,<BR>
       :) Rawn Clark<BR>
          06 Apr 2005<BR>
    rawnclark@...<BR>
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