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# Re: Re: Incorporating Self-defense in Hermetic Practices

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- To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Re: Incorporating Self-defense in Hermetic Practices
- From: Jonathan Bell <bell_jonathan@...>
- Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:47:56 +0100 (BST)
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    I've had a similar question brewing. After reading Frabato, and in particular

    "While they were being flogged, Quintscher lost his self-control. He uttered a
    Kabbalistic formula, whereupon the torturers were immediately paralyzed
    completely."

    I've been wondering whether it is acceptable to use magic for self-defence (not
    that I'm anywhere near being able to do that :) ). Why does this show a loss of
    self-control? Isn't protection from physical harm allowed?

    Cheers,

    Jon

    --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, Zelator wrote:
    >
    >
    > HI!
    >
    > I was wondering if any of the practicioners in the group have
    found a way to integrate some form of self-defense training into
    their Hermetic practices. Whether physical or with the use of magic.
    >
    > The reason I'm asking is because I live in a 3rd world country
    where crime is very much rampant. And yet I find myself inexplicably
    drawn to Bardons system, even though I do not seem to have made any
    concrete progress for the past 3 years.
    >
    > Given that the practice of Hermetics, work, and family life takes
    up a large part of my day. I'd still feel more complete if I found a
    way to incorporate some form of self-defense in my training. For my
    and my loved ones sake, if ever the time came if they were
    threatened by another human being.
    >
    > Also, what would be (if there was any) appropriate view and action
    of a Hermetic in practice with regards to incidents where his or his
    loved ones life/welfare is threatened by common criminals. Forgive
    me if this topic was taken up already before, I must have missed it.
    >
    > Any or no comments will be appreciated.
    >
    > Prometheus

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