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# Re: Re: Does Water give form to Fire ? - complement to my question

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Re: Does Water give form to Fire ? - complement to my question
- From: Newbieonekenhobby <newbieonekenhobby@...>
- Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:02:36 -0700 (PDT)
- In-reply-to: <bn6bcu+paiv@eGroups.com>

    Dear forestofsymbols,

    Many thanks for your message.

    <<it sounds like you might be confusing the elements
    (fire, water, earth, air, and ether) and the levels
    (physical, astral, mental). >>

    I re-read my message, and I understand your feeling
    :-). English is not my mother tongue (as you may have
    guessed :-) and the following sentence, particularly,
    could have been written more carefully :
    -----
    does the "shaping" of the raw energy issued by Fire
    take place at the Water level ?
    -----
    What I meant was simply "is the raw energy issued by
    Fire shaped by Water".
    In spite of my clumsly wording, I don't have the
    feeling I made a confusion between Elements and Planes
    (...although physical corresponds to the Earth
    Element, astral to the Water Element, Mental to the
    Fire Element etc., ... and knowing that Astral is an
    intermediary between Mental and Physical. Aarghh.
    Just wanted to ensure I confused everybody :-) :-)

    Given the correspondance just mentionned above, I was
    tempted to answer myself "yes" to my own question
    (does water give form to Fire). But I'm still not
    sure.

    The question I asked is valid for all planes, not only
    the physical one.

    <<It might help if rather than thinking of these
    things in the abstract, you find some experiences to
    tie them to, to make them real for yourself. >>

    Can you elaborate, please ? I'm interested in all
    possible ways to improve my meditations on the
    Elements - and the questions they raise. Thanks in
    advance.

    Greetings
    NB

    --- forestofsymbols <forestofsymbols@...> wrote:
    >
    > Others may disagee, but it sounds like you might
    > be confusing the
    > elements (fire, water, earth, air, and ether) and
    > the levels
    > (physical, astral, mental). Further, it seems that
    > you are also
    > confining the element "earth" to the physical level
    > alone. It might
    > help if rather than thinking of these things in the
    > abstract, you
    > find some experiences to tie them to, to make them
    > real for yourself.
    > This was my own mistake as I've recently discovered.
    >
    > mj
    >
    >
    > --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com,
    > Newbieonekenhobby
    > <newbieonekenhobby@y...> wrote:
    > > Oops. Here are a few sentences I forgot to
    > include.
    > >
    > > I know that the actual *solidification* ("let it
    > be
    > > done") takes place at the Earth Element -
    > > electromagnetic level.
    > >
    > > My question is not about this level:
    > solidification is
    > > distinct from shaping IMHO. My question is really
    > > about the original "Intention/Design" : does the
    > > "shaping" of the raw energy issued by Fire take
    > place
    > > at the Water level ?
    > >
    > > May sound confusing (and confused) to the other
    > > students. I apologize ...but I still need to know,
    > > because till now I believed that Water was
    > > "shrinking", so to speak, something already formed
    > and
    > > solidified at another level, but I did not imagine
    > > that it was taking a role in the shaping process.
    > >
    > > Ok. I'll stop worsening my case :-)
    > >
    > > Many thanks
    > > NB
    > >
    > >
    > > --- newbieonekenhobby <newbieonekenhobby@y...>
    > > wrote:
    > > > In Rawn's comments on IIH, I read in the "Theory
    > > > Section":
    > > >
    > > > <<The magnetic Fluid *gives form* to the
    > Electric
    > > > force>> (emphasis
    > > > mine).
    > > >
    > > > Taking this literally, meaning that the creation
    > > > deriving from the
    > > > Electric force takes actual shape through the
    > > > influence of the
    > > > magnetic Fluid, is it possible to infer that
    > Water
    > > > gives form to
    > > > Fire ?
    > > >
    > > > a) Superficially this looked obvious to me given
    > the
    > > > attributes of
    > > > the respective Elements. But suddenly I was not
    > sure
    > > > this
    > > > was "licit".
    > > >
    > > > b) Since *Water* somewhat looks like an
    > > > instantiation of the
    > > > *Magnetic* Fluid or its concrete manifestation
    > > > (sorry - I don't find
    > > > the words), and the equivalent for Fire, the
    > > > deduction seems logical
    > > > from that angle also
    > > > At the same time, since they are not at the same
    > > > level, and given
    > > > the explicit additional attributes of Water and
    > > > Fire, I was not sure
    > > > this was authorized.
    > > >
    > > > What is correct ? Or am I "pedaling besides the
    > > > bicycle" :-) ? Or
    > > > should I wait till level 8 :-( ?
    > > >
    > > > Many thanks.
    > > > NB
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
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