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# Re: Re: First 3 steps- questions-experience-clarification

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Re: First 3 steps- questions-experience-clarification
- From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
- Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:23:32 -0800
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    Dear 'setiamon',

    >> I guess i'm over complicating things, <<

    Yes. It's a very self-defeating habit.

    >> Also i thought master'd meant the ability to sustain thouse mental
    states forever, <<

    I suggest that you re-read Bardon's exact words. He very clearly stated
    what is required from each exercise and what constitutes "mastery" of
    each exercise.

    >> i find any state of concioussness i stress internal pressure builds
    up untill i have to release the excercise,of course i tend to do these
    excercises for an hour or more. <<

    Why? I strongly recommend that if you are going to pursue Bardon's
    system, you follow *Bardon's* instructions. He very specifically stated
    that 10 uninterrupted minutes is what is required of the first mental
    exercise.

    >> Also i was thinking of thought as verbal thought,chatter. <<

    For most people, thinking occurs in the form of words but for some,
    thinking occurs as a series of emotional states, a series of images,
    sounds, smells, etc. Whatever medium it materializes through, it still
    amounts to "mind chatter" at the surface level of awareness (the first
    layer observed in the first mental exercise). It meanders along without
    any lasting focus as it goes about reflecting one's inner and outer
    states.

    With the second mental exercise however, thought becomes a matter of
    personal will or intention and has a prolonged and disciplined focus.

    >> is awareness in general considered thought? <<

    No. Thinking is only a very small part of awareness. Just one of its
    capabilities.

    >> like my awareness shift to my shoulder or my stomic etc is that
    'thought' even if it doesn't have any word/threads? <<

    It is thinking *if* you start thinking about the fact that your
    awareness has shifted to your shoulder, etc. Or you start thinking
    about how your shoulder feels in that moment, and so on. Thinking is so
    dominant a part of our normal life experience that it can pop up in the
    most subtle ways.

    >> I find that in any mental excercise that at a certain point sometimes
    the state shifts, it automates like my unconciouss is doing all the work
    and my will is free, almost like looking at a reflection in a pool of
    water,is this what i should strive for or should i try and maintain the
    state concioussly? the only problem i have is that it produces a third
    state like a bubble emerging from the two like my mind is trying to
    creat a new objective mindstate which disrupts the pure flow between the
    the will and excercise should i strive to repress this bubble from being
    formed? <<

    I suggest that you try attaining and maintaining the mental state
    required by the exercise. One main point of the Step One mental
    exercises is to develop your mental discipline -- your control over your
    own mind. In other words, how to make you mind do what you want it to
    do when you want it to do so and for as long as you want it to continue
    doing so. If your mind automatically does something other than what you
    are wanting it to do then that is not mental discipline.

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    19 Dec 2004
    rawnclark@...
    rawn@...
    http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
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