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# Eckhart Tolle revisted

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- To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: Eckhart Tolle revisted
- From: "Martin" <martin@...>
- Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:55:23 -0000
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    Dear group,

    A while ago, I brought up the topic of Time in relation to the
    teachings of Eckhart Tolle.

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis/message/2425

    (Message 2425 in case this link is truncated).

    I outlined very simplistically that his teachings say that we do
    not require time to become spiritually aware, because everything is
    available to us in the Now. I will not repeat the whole argument
    here, but the replies I received from Rawn and others really helped
    me to re-evaluate Tolle's teachings.

    I am still working on Step One of IIH and feel that I am at the
    stage of swifting over from the one-pointedness exercise to VoM/EoM.

    This got me thinking about old Tolle again. I realize now that it is
    not practical to just tell someone "live in the Now" and expect that
    to be enough for them to stay centred in (as he calls it
    sometimes) "space consciousness" through the day. It's unrealistic
    in terms of making any lasting changes and as somebody mentioned in
    a reply at the time, without dealing with the underlying issues
    which have been built up in our past, simply living in the Now would
    amount to repression. However, I have been wondering whether Tolle's
    way of accessing the present moment, his various "gateways/doorways"
    into the Now, are a valid way of practising the VoM exercise of
    Bardon. This then would obviously be for the limited time of the
    exercise and not attempting to use this technique *in place* of
    character work and all the other exercises introduced by Bardon.

    Rawn, at the time of the original discussion, you asked for some
    details regarding Tolle (website, book details and so on). Did you
    by any chance have the opportunity to look into any of his material?
    The reason I ask is because I would like to know whether what he is
    describing actually amounts to VoM in the Bardonian sense.

    I have mp3s of some of Tolle's retreats and when I listen to them,
    he emphasizes focussing not on the words he is speaking, but on the
    spaces between the words... on the underlying stillness/silence
    within the room, on the inner energy field of the body and so on...
    now, would this be simply another version of the one-pointedness
    exercise rather than VoM? I know that I would have to achieve VoM on
    my own and not whilst listening to the mp3, but could I carry over
    the technique or would, for example, focussing my attention on the
    inner energy field of my body not constitute VoM? Perhaps if I
    manage this for long enough, that focus on the energy field would
    drop away - I haven't reached that point yet.

    Another thing I should mention is that whilst listening to the mp3s,
    I have in the past experienced periods of feeling as if my
    consciousness were expanding somehow, beyond the physical
    restrictions of my brain/body... difficult to put into words.

    I'm sorry that this post isn't very concise, I always seem to waffle
    on when I am trying to conceptualize such abstract things.

    I'd really appreciate any comments, not just from Rawn, but from
    anybody in the group, especially those who may have had experience
    of Tolle.

    Thank you,

    Martin

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