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# PME, beings of Jupiter-Saturn and Abramelin?

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- Subject: PME, beings of Jupiter-Saturn and Abramelin?
- From: "Patrik" <patwe77@...>
- Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:10:27 -0000
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    Hi all,

    According to Paul Allen, there are several errors in Bardons books,
    especially in PME

    The whole article with all errors according to Paul Allen:

    [http://www.geocities.com/franzbardon/bardonerrors.html]

    Especially:

    1.) "The following comes most probably out of Hembergers work
    [http://www.geocities.com/franzbardon/hemberge.html].
    The so called beings of the sphere of Jupiter are "in reality"
    spirits of the Saturn sphere. Bardon used here as source Quintschers
    Kabbalit. An indication are the signs of Saturn and the rings of
    Saturn all over the diagrams of the "Jupiter-entities" in PME. As
    final proof you must compare Bardons PME and Qintschers Kabbalit.
    [Paul Allen]"

    2.) "Bardon took the 360 "spirits girdling the earth" completely
    arbitrarily out from his source, the Abramelin (Hammer edition 1725
    [http://www.geocities.com/franzbardon/stejnar.html#hammer]). If there
    had been exactly 360 spirits in Abramelins list, then one could
    reckon, that Abramelin just wrote down his list with the wrong
    epithet "demon" for his spirits, an error corrected later by Bardon.
    If we should follow this line of argumentation, is not sure. Because
    Abramelin states PLAINLY, that all spirits are just servants of the
    chief-demons like Satan, Lucifer and so on. Bardon can therefore be
    accused, that his second book is on demonology. [Paul Allen]"

    Have these questions already been discussed? Unfortunately, I did not
    find any postings with search function (Hemberger etc.) nor on Rawns
    Bardon Companion Site till now. Does anyone know a link or, if not,
    could someone that has mastered PME already, clarify this issue?

    Patrik

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