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# Re: Re: LBRP and IIH Practice

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Re: LBRP and IIH Practice
- From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
- Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 10:54:22 -0700
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    Dear Philippe,

    >> But then I have been thinking about it and must admit that, in fact,
    I have been able to "feel" an answer to many questions by going through
    your site (and other material) and meditating about it (.taking my time.
    We/I will benefit much more by having devoting more time to new material
    for your website... but of course you already knew that... <<

    :) What I also know from personal experience is that students of
    initiation benefit most from developing their own power of self-reliance
    and their own faculties of self-discovery. The habit of relying upon
    others for answers to our questions breeds a weakening dependence that
    is counter-productive to the process of initiation. It deflates our
    inherent power to figure things out for ourselves through personal
    effort and personal experience.

    >> There is no mention of common rituals like LBRP in IIH, as is also
    the case on your website. I actually remember reading a comment from you
    that Bardon mentioned that practicing rituals that are not "understood"
    was in fact sorcery. <<

    I believe what I said is that practicing rituals one doesn't understand
    fits with Bardon's definition of sorcery, not that Bardon himself stated
    such a thing. :) Also, you will find some specific rituals on my
    website, The Magic of IHVH-ADNI being primary among them, but in each
    case I do my best to first introduce the reader to their meaning so that
    there is no lack of understanding in their performance.

    You are correct that in IIH Bardon did not mention any rituals like the
    LBRP. What he did do however, was provide the student all the necessary
    tools to create their own, self-designed rituals (e.g., the section on
    finger rituals). True magic is a spontaneous act that arises from
    internal knowledge based upon personal experience and that is what IIH
    teaches. LBRP on the other hand is not spontaneous, self-designed or
    rooted in internal knowledge derived from personal experience. Instead,
    it is dogmatic and is the product of another's experience and knowledge.

    >> However, I have read the book by Alexandre Moryason "La Lumière sur
    la Royaume" (in French, my native language), and he specifically
    recommends the practice of LBRP and other Golden Dawn inspired rituals
    as an essential aid to IIH. What should I make of it ? <<

    What you make of it is, of course up to you. :) I personally strongly
    disagree with Moryason on this point. In fact, I believe such practices
    are counter-productive to the pursuit of IIH. If they were *essential*
    as Moryason asserts then undoubtedly Bardon would have said so in IIH.

    >> I am also disturbed by the fact that various authors (Regardie,
    Kraig, Moryason.) seem to propose different versions of LBRP (going
    first on right or left shoulder, names/pronunciation). If these rituals
    are indeed powerful, then such details should not be indifferent - but
    then which one is "right"? <<

    The *only* thing that makes such a ritual powerful is its personal
    significance to the practitioner. The ritual itself has no intrinsic
    power. In other words, if someone who gave the ritual no significance
    whatsoever was to practice it there would be absolutely no effect.
    Significance is something the *practitioner* must bring to and give to
    the ritual in order for it to be at all effective. Obviously then, an
    author will propose the version that they personally have deemed most
    significant for *them*, hence the differences you've noted. In the end,
    none are *universally* "right" while each is *personally* "right" for
    the one proposing it. The question then becomes which is *personally*
    "right" for *you*?

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    09 Apr 2005
    rawnclark@...
    rawn@...
    http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis
    http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe

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