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# RE: VoM?

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- To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: RE: [BardonPraxis] VoM?
- From: "lux xul" <luxxul@...>
- Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:34:44 +0000
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`Hi. It has been my experience that VOM was simple (not easy) once one stopped seeking it to manifest (proverbially, "one cannot dance when one is watching that one is dancing.") .. and instead, just == LET MYSELF == "BE" there. In essence, I stopped looking for myself being there and WAS there, instead.`
`I stopped reflecting upon myself. I surrendered to BEING ... which never requires "reflection - of - myself - to - myself - to - verify - myself - exisitng - as - myself " ...(etc).`

    Ex.

`When one feels most filled with joy in physical life, once that joy is STEPPED OUT OF to REFLECT upon its reality or instensity of expereince (self validation, etc.) , does that not trip one out of the full depth expereince?`
`When one starts to reflect or analyze or question a dream experience as one enters it from wakefullness into sleep, does not one then snap back to a NON dream state?`
`I think it is a higher order reflection of these. As above, so below. Same toolset, different work benches, so to speak.`
`VOM, seems to be a state of BEING rather than a state of REFLECTION on BEING. THere is a wonderous experience of resting and really not having to GO DO something or create some phenomenon, etc.`

    Thanks.
    :T:

>     From: "Martin" <martin@...>
>     Reply-To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
>     To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
>     Subject: [BardonPraxis] VoM?
>     Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:35:49 -0000

>     Dear Rawn and fellow group members,

>     This morning whilst meditating with the intention of achieving
>     Vacancy of Mind, I first passively observed my thoughts for a few
>     minutes and then focussed as intensely as I could upon one single
>     question for a further few minutes. Suddenly, instead of striving to
>     empty my mind as I have done previously, I felt a sudden surge of
>     energy fill my body and mind instantly - it is difficult to explain
>     but it was very intense, but at the same time not really distracting
>     (I can't really communite that concept properly with words), and
>     then it was as if Vacancy of Mind filled me rather than me striving
>     for it... if that makes any sense to anybody. I think I achieved VoM
>     for several minutes, perhaps even five minutes, but I can imporve on
>     it because there were still shadows of thoughts once in a while
>     (although they were easily dismissed).

>     Is this surge of energy something to be ignored? I felt that I had
>     to concentrate at first on relaxing my body because I was resisting
>     it and becoming a little tense.

>     After the meditation, I felt extremely joyful and still. I felt that
>     everything around me (even the wallpaper) was alive and almost a
>     part of me.

>     Rawn, what is the best way to build on this during future
>     meditations? Am I on the right track or being distracted by
>     irrelevant occurrences? Any advice would be appreciated.

>     Good will to everyone!

>     Martin

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