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# Re: Elementals Vs. Elementries

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- Subject: Re: Elementals Vs. Elementries
- From: "Martin <martincosgrove@...>" <martincosgrove@...>
- Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 02:08:18 -0000
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    Thanks a lot, Rawn. I have not read that far ahead in IIh, as I
    wanted to stay focused on the current step and not confuse myself.

    The reason I asked is that I was doing some reading online and the
    terms came up. The author indicated a similarity between an
    elemental and a 'familiar' in other systems. The same page also
    suggested that there are natural elementals and artificial
    elementals which are created, as you say, by the magician for a
    specific purpose. Is the idea of naturally ocurring elementals not
    consistent with Bardon's teachings?

    Thanks,

    Martin
    >
    > Bardon described the difference quite well in the Step Seven
    Physical
    > Training section. According to the Ruggeberg edition. page 152-
    153:
    >
    > "The difference between an *elemental* and an *elementary*
    is in
    > that an *elemental* is produced, on the base of a deliberate form
    of
    > thoughts, with the help of the magician's imagination and
    willpower, and
    > works mainly on the mental plane for the magician's or other
    people's
    > benefit. An *elementary*, on the other hand, is far more
    penetrating
    > and more subtle, in its effect, because it is being created from
    one or
    > several Elements."
    >
    > A good way to keep them straight in your mind is to think
    of "elemental"
    > as meaning "simple" or "basic/rudimentary".
    >
    >
    > An elementary is not intrinsically "bad/negative", nor is an
    elemental
    > intrinsically the opposite. This depends upon the mind and will
    of its
    > creator-magician.
    >
    > In Bardon's system, these are VERY specific terms, however to most
    of
    > the rest of the occult world these terms carry multiple meanings.
    In
    > folklore, "elementaries" are often seen as negative sprites, but
    these
    > are rarely elementaries in the Bardon sense of the term.<
    >

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