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# Re: Clarification please...

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Clarification please...
- From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
- Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:00:00 -0800
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    Dear New B.,

    >> I started the "thought control/witnessing/monitoring" exercise, and I
    have a new question (sorry! I try to keep those at a minimum, but this
    one seems to be a pre-requisite to my practice) : Talking about the
    thoughts, FB writes that :
    - "observe your train of thought for five minutes, and make an
    attempt fo remember these thoughts" (p. 66).
    - "it will be difficult for him (= the student) to remember all of
    them" (p. 67).
    Does this mean that I not only have to observe the thoughts going
    through my mind (and remember them immediately after they arose),
    but that I have to remember all of them at the end of the 6-7-8
    minutes of the duration of the exercise ? <<

    No. Here again, the Ruggeberg edition gives a very different take on
    Bardon's words.

    Where Merkur has "observe your train of thought for five minutes, and
    make an attempt to remember these thoughts", Ruggeberg has "observe the
    train of your thoughts for five minutes trying to retain it." The word
    "retain" refers to not losing *the train of thoughts*, as is seen in a
    follow-up statement: "The main point is not to forget yourself, *not to
    lose the train of thoughts, but to pursue it attentively.*"

    The second paragraph that you quote from is NOT an indication that the
    student is to memorize what thoughts transpired during the observation
    (that would not be a *passive* approach to one's thoughts!). Rather,
    this paragraph is pointing out that the mind will quiet itself when you
    passively observe it and withdraw your participation. This leads to
    fewer and fewer thoughts and at the end of observing a peaceful mind,
    the few thoughts that did arise will be memorable, without even *trying*
    to memorize them. So this paragraph is just pointing out the contrast
    between how busy the mind is at the outset and how quiet it becomes with
    practice.

    There is a difference between being *aware of* your thoughts and
    *memorizing* your thoughts. When you attentively observe what
    transpires in your mind, you will, by the end of the exercise, have
    witnessed what sorts of thoughts arose and with what frequency and
    intensity they arose. And like observing anything, what you have
    observed remains as a memory, of its own accord and not because you have
    intentionally *memorized* it. At the end of the exercise, it's not what
    specific thoughts arose in what specific order that's important; it's
    the overall nature of the thoughts that's important and this requires no
    memorization.

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    09 Jan 2003
    rawnclark@...
    rawn@...
    http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis

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