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# Re: One of the things to learn here (was: Shedding excess negative energy)

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- Subject: Re: One of the things to learn here (was: Shedding excess negative energy)
- From: "Patrik" <patwe77@...>
- Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:46:03 -0000
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    Hi Stu!

    Let me contribute something to what you have said ...

    Actually I do come from another cultural part of the world (Europe,
    Switzerland) than you (most of you coming from USA I do asume?). And
    it is very very interesting to see - concerning hermetic path of
    Bardon -
    that there are in every cultural area some outstanding, extraordinary
    people, spiritual teachers of hermetics (which are
    somehow "available" 'publicly' more or less for the students). In
    the States for example, it is Rawn or William Mistele. Mistele does
    express his experiences rather in a poetical and very lively way.
    Rawn seems to me more a scientist ... really the most precise and
    clarifying magos I've ever "met". He embodies (besides other
    qualities of course)as a teacher above all the ability to create
    total clarity in an easy way. Just the one question I've asked and
    his answer brought about a really new quality for my path I did not
    even know before and I do feel grateful for.
    But the interesting thing here is - as far I can oversee it - that
    many students often have contact only to one such teacher alone,
    sometimes they do not even know that there exist other such persons
    in other cultural areas.
    In Europe, I 've met (personally) four such persons. One guy is
    called Tares and besides Hermetic of Bardon, he is working with
    Chinese Medicin acupuncture and Taoist Meditation. Through him, I
    learnt for the first time in this life, that a magos can be a person
    who is very balanced - expressing divine will-power and equally
    being a warm-hearted, compassionate and smiling person. Before
    meeting him, I honestly could not really *feel* what it means or culd
    mean to be *balanced* in a hermetic way( mentally assuming yes, but
    not sensing it enough imaginally!)
    Another person is a woman, sensitive and powerfull like a beautiful
    high priestess of Avalon (her speciality is kabbalah and the spirits)
    and still pure hearted and simple, lovely and humble in a positive
    way, being more a good friend than a guru-teacher. Another teacher
    worked as masseur and bath attendant (well, in the States he would
    have been some guy like in baywatch) and he is - also advanced in
    hermetic - a very clairvoyant person. I've never seen such sharp
    shining blue eyes.
    Finally, there is a very good teacher, 'brother' and friend of
    mine. He is somehow a mix between an Indian, tantric Yogin and
    spiritual warrior (he could be - in a symbolic way - an Jedi like Qui
    Gon, if they really existed).
    And there would also exist some advanced hermetics in Paris, France
    [creator of the sites www.urgaya.net], again quite different, which I
    do not know yet (and probably will never meet?).
    Everyone of those persons is like a magnet, joining lots of students
    as a spiritual kind of group which often are *not counsciously*
    connected or aware of other such persons and groups existing on
    Earth, following the same path.

    One good thing of knowing lots (at least some) of such advanced
    people is that you do not stick too much to one person alone. I mean,
    imagine for a moment, as a thought-experience, Rawn would
    dematerialise into other dimension now, -say- into highest perfection
    (smile), never coming back to this Earth again. Can you (within your
    imagination) hear the students sigh's sounding through the mental
    halls of this forum group; this kind of connected "psychic group-
    field community" existing somehow on an astral-mental plane?

    Of course, every kind of sticking or idolizing means psychologically
    that I do project some positive quality of myself (not yet
    counsciously developped) into another person, seeing it outside there
    first. This can help me to awaken the same qualitiy within myself in
    a individual manner according to my personality. Every
    good "sounding" and perceiving of such qualities in other persons
    means that the same qualities sleeping within me, wating for being
    awakened and living them in an authentic way by myself.

    Finally, those qualities or powers do also exist in Nature and in
    different "ordinary" people your meeting every day. Our aim is just
    to awaken those qualities in a balanced and broad way *within* us.

    So, good luck for this journey to everybody here! Feels good joining
    this group!

    A happy new year and much success and love

    Pat

    PS Forgot ... of course, as an end of our imagination (thought-
    experience), Rawn should return now from eternity back to us, so we
    do not let him there ... thanks for being here again still assisting
    us *smile*

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