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# Re: Visualizations

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- To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Visualizations
- From: Woce <woce8@...>
- Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:57:11 +0200 (CEST)
- In-reply-to: <bb4cm9+cigu@eGroups.com>

    Great and realistic is your question ! I am at the same
    level as you and do have the same interrogations. For a
    while I worked as you do, but I noticed it wasn't the right
    way. You answered your own question : too much analysing
    means too many concepts, by the way, we only are
    recommanded to visualise the shape and colour of the
    object, nothing more, nothing less.
    According to me the problem seems to be somewhere else.
    Whatever object you can think at or you can refer to, is
    the same (except the interpration you therefore lead). When
    you say a fork, you get the mental image of a fork - a fork
    you may use every day - and it is precisely at this moment
    you got to condense the mental image you are thinking at !
    So that it is possible to visualise it. It's like when you
    are using "Word" for example - first, the thought, then you
    type the words that display in the screeb (they are not
    physical, beut you can see them) and at last you can
    "touch" them when you print your text. No matter what is
    your analyse, the important is that you visualise you text.
    It's easy to write, but performing it, deals with other
    matters.

    Sincere regards, Woce

    --- leviathanthewise <fish_studios@...> a écrit :
    ---------------------------------
    I know that a ton of posts have been done on this topic,
    and I tried
    my best to sift through them to see if this had been asked
    before
    and I couldn't find it.

    Anyway, here's the question:

    Is it okay to start visualizations with simple, shapes
    (such as a
    cube) rather than a real object in front of you? My mind
    tends to
    over-analyze things and I have a hard time with creating an
    image as
    I try and put a little too much detail into. For example,
    if I was
    to visualize a pencil, its not enough just to see a pencil,
    I have
    to think about the lead inside the pencil, how worn is the
    lead, is
    the eraser worn down, does it have lead traces on it, are
    there
    scratches on the pencil, writing, is the wood on the end
    frayed or
    smooth, and it goes on and on and on.

    It ends up being more of a mental thought exercise than a
    visualization one. It takes me almost 5 minutes to build
    the image
    and then to try and hold on to it after what I just put
    myself
    through isn't all that easy.

    So I was thinking that maybe starting with extremely basic
    shapes
    would be a good idea, to help train my mind in building the
    image
    and learning to hold.

    I'm not saying that I think there's something wrong with
    all the
    detail, just that here at first its hindering more than
    helping.

    Any thoughts on this? Are simple shapes okay? or should I
    stick to
    pencils and such and work through the difficulty?

    -- Alan

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