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# Re: Formal Evocation vs. Mental Wandering

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- Subject: Re: Formal Evocation vs. Mental Wandering
- From: "peter_reist" <peter_reist@...>
- Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:16:12 -0000
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    Dear Rawn and Parzifal,

    Okay, that makes some sense. However, if this is just a matter of
    learning how to flex a certian set of specialized astral and mental
    muscles that are not normally worked, then why bother with all of the
    fancy ritual tools and regalia? Or to use the weightlifting analogy:
    why bother buying a fancy new weight lifting machine when you've got
    a nice set of old barbells that will do the job just as well?

    Also, you've got to note that I'm coming at the work of evocation
    from my work with kabbalah...about which Bardon does state that the
    kabbalahist will be able to get perfectly in contact with the spirits
    of all the different spheres via his knowledge of the workings of the
    ability to utter kabbalahistically.

    Love and Live well,
    Peter Reist

    --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@n...>
    wrote:
    > Dear Peter,
    >
    > >> What I don't quite understand is how the condensation of a
    specific
    > quality of light within the magical triangle into an astral
    density, and
    > the evocation of a spirit into that atmosphere furthers that
    progression
    > of the subtle mental energies manifesting themselves within
    physicality.
    > Especially since, when doing as such, one is seperated from the
    spirit
    > that is evoked by both the magical circle and the magical triangle.
    <<
    >
    > In addition to Parzifal's comment about exercising muscles that were
    > previously unexercised by mental wandering alone, there's also the
    fact
    > that an evocation involves conversation *at the mundane level of
    one's
    > awareness*. In other words, the conversation between the magician
    and
    > the evoked entity occurs within the mundane, material realm. This
    level
    > of interaction integrates into the magician's waking consciousness
    much
    > more readily and completely than do the experiences obtained during
    > mental wandering.
    >
    > It's like adding the icing to a cake.
    >
    > My best to you,
    > :) Rawn Clark
    > 03 Aug 2003
    > rawnclark@n...
    > rawn@a...
    > http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis
    > http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe

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