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# Re: Re: Fluid condensers again

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Re: Fluid condensers again
- From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
- Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:51:53 -0700
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    Dear Hilikus77,

    >> Thanks for your answer.
    But i would like to add something. I guess it's not necessary to
    load those condenser with Elements for the single reason they are
    already full of elemental energy.
    All plants "contain" an element. For exemple, garlic contain the
    Fire element intensivly (the fire of mars).
    Water, itself is a kind of condenser.
    So, when you make a fluid condenser using water and garlic, you have
    already a water impregnated with the fire element.
    So, then, why should i load it with more Fire ? I guess it's already
    satureted with Fire. No need to increase it. <<

    The point of a *condenser* is that it is capable of holding a condensed
    accumulation of an Element/Fluid. To quote Bardon (Ruggeberg English
    edition, p.194):

    "Any object can be influenced by any fluid, regardless of being
    loaded electrically, magnetically, with elements or akasha through the
    aid of the imagination and the will. But according to the laws of
    analogy, and by experience, it has been found out that not each object
    and not each kind of liquid is suitable to retain an accumulated power
    for a long time or to accumulate it at all. Similar to the fact, that
    electricity, magnetism and heat do have good and bad conductors, the
    higher powers offer the same bipolar aspect. Good conductors own an
    enormous accumulative capacity, because the powers concentrated in them
    are stored up and can be held back at will. In the hermetic science
    such accumulators are called 'fluid condensers'."

    In other words, while the materials suitable for use as Fluid Condensers
    do indeed express an affinity for their corresponding Element or Fluid,
    they do not already possess an *accumulation* of said Element/Fluid.
    This means that an uncharged condenser possesses only the Elements and
    Fluids that make up its physical components. This amount of
    Elements/Fluids is not strong enough for magic work.

    A condenser is only a vessel into which the magician must accumulate an
    Element or Fluid. It is the accumulation within the condenser that
    makes it a "magical" substance as opposed to a normal physical
    substance.

    Take for example your hypothetical garlic water. The garlic does indeed
    express a relative predominance of the Fire Element; however, its
    primary constituent is the Earth Element (as is true of all physical
    things). So too with the water -- it does express a relative
    predominance of the Water Element but its primary constituent is Earth.
    When you mix these two together you end up with an Earth that is strong
    in both Fire and Water. This is not strong enough or potent enough for
    magical work with the Elements and Fluids. It's not until you load this
    *condenser* with the Elements and Fluids that it becomes strong enough
    for magical work. It's only when loaded with an accumulation that it
    becomes noticeably stronger than common physical matter.

    One reason why Bardon put these exercises/techniques at Step Eight was
    because Step Eight is also the Step in which the student learns to
    "master the Fluids". Until that point, the student hasn't learned how
    to accumulate and condense the Fluids. So really, the work with
    accumulating the *Fluids* into *Fluid* Condensers belongs to Step Eight.
    However, the student who has mastered the Step Five work with the
    Elements is certainly capable of making good use of the Fluid Condensers
    by way of accumulating the Elements into them. But unless the student
    is capable of accumulating at least the Elements into a Condenser, Fluid
    Condensers are of little use.

    >> My question was : if i have a condenser related to Air, then, should
    i use the evaporation process or is it the same to use combustion ? <<

    It would depend upon the goal of your work. Does what you're trying to
    accomplish relate to the Air or to the Fire? If it relates to the Air
    Element, then you would use the evaporation process, and if it relates
    to the Fire Element, then you would use the combustion process. As I
    said in my last post, the important aspect of what Bardon described
    there was the *processes*. It's the processes themselves that bring
    forth the magic through the corresponding Element. These are really
    very rudimentary "earth magic" or "low magic" techniques and this is why
    Bardon states here that accumulating the Element is optional.

    >> Concerning what you said... if i take oil for example (a good
    natural condenser) and load it with a desire and let it evaporate...
    is it enough to activate this element ? <<

    I suggest that you experiment with this and see if it works. :)

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    29 May 2003
    rawnclark@...
    rawn@...
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