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# Re: Formal Evocation vs. Mental Wandering

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- To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: Re: Formal Evocation vs. Mental Wandering
- From: "magesmail" <magesmail@...>
- Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:33:44 -0000
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    Hello.
    First of all , let me state that I am NOT trying to offend anyone. Iam
    just curious . But wouldn't a hermetic magician who has finished step
    8 (which peter seems to have, since he mentions elsewhere that he has
    started kabbala work) be able to answer such questions by a process of
    intution /mental wandering ? again PLEASE don't be offended . NO
    offense meant .
    I am enjoying this discussion as much as anyone else here .
    Regds, NKKA

    --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "peter_reist" <peter_reist@y...>
    wrote:
    > Dear Rawn,
    >
    > >>>The ceremonial regalia is like training wheels on a bicycle. They
    > serve to support the magician's focus and their will as they learn
    > the Art of evocation. Eventually, they become unnecessary.<<<
    >
    > Then, of course, the question becomes: does the initiate who has
    > completed step eight really need such training wheels?
    >
    > Also, why does Bardon not talk about the invocation of a spirit into
    > the structure of the mental body? While such a working would be
    > potentially dangerous for the untrained initiate, for the trained
    > magician couldn't it be something more along the lines of what Bardon
    > talked about when he mentioned about pnuma transference at the end of
    > Step 4?
    >
    > Love and Live well,
    > Peter Reist

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