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# Re: [Planar Problems &c]

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- Subject: Re: [Planar Problems &c]
- From: mds <reifiedmind@...>
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:42:08 +0000
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    Rawn,

`Many thanks for your elucidation; it was most helpful. My feeling of intense confusion and dilemma seems to have abated (for now!) and I attempted the breathing exercise once-more about an hour ago for a 15 minute period.`
`Having read your reply (below), I also consulted the correspondence links on the Companion site, finding a few key excerpts on Eucharistic Magic and the Akasha-Mind connexion, which were most helpful. I think some of my difficulty with getting started on this exercise lay in a confusion over what I was trying to ask in the first place - that is, not simply being unable to accomplish X, but being unaware of what X was to start with.`
`The notion of EM being Akasha-Mind, yet also a Physical ex. (air as the vehicle for ideation, as I believe you phrase it Rawn) is certainly revelatory, and indeed clarifies in the permeating nature of Akasha, and the interconnectedness / mutual relation between the planes.`
`I am surrounded by scraps of paper with pencil scrawled all over them - I was scribbling away on just prior to posting my planar question ... let's just say I can rub out the majority of confusion, which is a helpful sign. I am left with more tangible questions, many of which need to be answered by myself, no doubt.`
`What I noticed from my attempt at conscious breathing originally was the difficulty in the ideation itself (which hardly surprises me, I might add - it's not exactly something I've done before!). The best way I can describe it is my struggle to find the correct 'mode' of thinking - I've moved away from the mantric confusion of my first attempt (repeating 'health' a lot while breathing!) towards what I see as a more 'accurate' approach. Problems with eye strain (thinking of the idea being impressed on the air resulting in my eyes wanting to see through the lids - still a bit of a problem) seem to have abated slightly, and I think I'm touching on the 'right attitude' - momentary glimpses of the exercise feeling 'right'. We'll see; as expected, I can't rationalise how to do it right, I have to explore practically.`
`I'm not sure if the above has any questions buried in it or is merely a stream of consciousness (apologies either way!) but what I can say for sure is that your reply, Rawn (as well as Chuck's most helpful clarification on my third question re: vibrations, different forms of Akashic emanation not pertaining to 'purity') has certainly helped in directing my practical attempts at this Step 1 physical exercise in a positive direction.`
`So, while no doubt still being quite confused (for example, I had another question to pose, but I've conveniently completely forgotten it!) I'm very appreciative of the aid that's been given. Many thanks again!`

    Warm regards,
    Marc

    On 10 Jan 2005, at 01:29, Rawn Clark wrote:

>     Dear Marc,

>     I think your confusion begins with the fact that your ideation is
>     impressed ...

>     As I wrote above, your ideation impregnates the *Akasha* resident, in
>     this case, within the physical molecules that compose breathable "air".
>     The Akasha permeates *all* things, be they physical, astral and/or
>     mental. Plus -- and here's the crux of all the Eucharistic magics --
>     the Akasha readily *absorbs* all the thoughts circulating in the
>     environment...

> > > `For example, why is this exercise seen as 'Physical' <<`

>     Because it requires a physical act (breathing air) and depends upon a
>     physical substance (breathable air) as the vehicle.

> > > `Qn 2: It seems that this exercise starts and finishes with the`

>     Spirit - this confuses me. I gather this again reflects my poverty in
>     understanding the planar analogy. But if we start with an 'Idea', I
>     don't see why and how (qn 1) this can impregnate the air which then
>     moves 'up the tree' back to the Spirit again?? This seems circular. <<
>     ...

>     Ultimately, there *is* a circular -- or rather, a cyclic -- exchange
>     between "above" and "below" and between "below" and "above". This is
>     how we evolve. :)

> > > `Qn 3: On emanations from Akasha: does the Physical represent a`

>     coarser (and hence 'less pure') manifestation of Spirit? <<

> `That's not really a very productive way to look at it. An emanation of
> *non-sequential essential meaning* by the Akasha, causes a *sequential*
> manifestation which continuously multiplies its variations of form until
> the moment when *all* of the possibilities inherent to the
> *non-sequential* Akashic root have been manifest in specific form. At
> the physical level, essential meaning reaches its most complex level of
> manifestation. This is not "less pure", but rather "more complex". It
> is still no less an expression of the Akashic root -- no less a part of
> that pristine root.`

> > > `If so, is this due to a different balance of the elements - (ie. more`

>     Earth?)? <<

> `Yes, that is one way of describing it. I suggest that you meditate upon
> the significance of the Earth Element.
> ...`

> > > `I'm still not sure whether I appreciate the 'why' or rather the 'how'`

>     of the emanation downward toward the physical. <<

> `The Akasha is not "motivated" by a "why". That is really the purview of
> human emotion, not the Primum Mobile. Instead of being moved by a
> "why", the Akasha simply *is*. It simply expresses as is its nature to
> express. We can however, come to understand the "how" very deeply.
> That *is* Hermetics.`

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