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# Re: First 3 steps- questions-experience-clarification

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- Subject: Re: First 3 steps- questions-experience-clarification
- From: "setiamon" <setiamon@...>
- Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:30:05 -0000
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    I guess i'm over complicating things,Also i thought master'd meant the
    ability to sustain thouse mental states forever,i find any state of
    concioussness i stress internal pressure builds up untill i have to
    release the excercise,of course i tend to do these excercises for an
    hour or more.

    Also i was thinking of thought as verbal thought,chatter.is awareness
    in general considered thought?like my awareness shift to my shoulder
    or my stomic etc is that 'thought' even if it doesn't have any
    word/threads?

    I should ask this while i have the chance and not persist in this line
    anylonger but..

    I find that in any mental excercise that at a certain point sometimes
    the state shifts,it automates like my unconciouss is doing all the
    work and my will is free,almost like looking at a reflection in a pool
    of water,is this what i should strive for or should i try and maintain
    the state concioussly?the only problem i have is that it produces a
    third state like a bubble emerging from the two like my mind is trying
    to creat a new objective mindstate which disrupts the pure flow
    between the the will and excercise should i strive to repress this
    bubble from being formed?

    > Observe *whatever* happens in your mind when you detach from
    > participating in what transpires in your mind. If all thoughts cease
    > because you have detached from participation, then observe *that*. When
    > you are able to be detached and observe *whatever* happens for a span of
    > at least 10 minutes, then you have "mastered" the exercise.
    >
    > It is a *very* simple exercise!
    >
    > My best to you,
    > :) Rawn Clark
    > 19 Dec 2004
    > rawnclark@n...
    > rawn@a...
    > http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis
    > http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe

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