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- To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: RE: [BardonPraxis] clarity of meditation
- From: "Stephen Miller" <qwertyguy3@...>
- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:22:37 -0500
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`Between the mental exercises of step 1 and the mental exercises of step 2 there are two major actions of the mind that need to be brought under control - the mind chatter and the image stream. For the exercises in step 1, Bardon is referring to the semantic mind chatter. Basic success in step 1 is achieved when one is able to observe the mind chatter, limit the mind chatter to a single semantic idea, and finally stop the chatter entirely. However, as one gains proficiency in stemming the mind chatter, the underlying, deeper, image stream becomes more and more apparent. I believe that Bardon left it to the individual to deduce that the same 3 part exercises which worked to stop the mind chatter should then be used to control the image stream. It is only after both of these are brought under control that one can expect to have success with step 2. There may also be a corresponding "chatter" for sense of smell, taste, ect., but I haven't come across them yet.`

    Stephen M.

>     From: "darktemplarssj" <whited4@...>
>     Reply-To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
>     To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
>     Subject: [BardonPraxis] clarity of meditation
>     Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:29:52 -0000

>     Hello, I'm new here. I've been studing Bardon's method's for about
>     3 monthes now but some of his comments on meditation
>     in "Introduction to Heremetics" are a little ambiguous.
>     First, is "holding a single thought in your mind" the same as
>     visualizing a simple object like a triangle or square? If not I am
>     not sure what the second part of the Magical Mental Training in part
>     I is asking? could it be more of an intense feeling? I know this
>     is a hard question to awnser, any thoughts would be useful.

>     Also there seems to be a gradient of clarity during my meditations
>     (when I am attempting part 3 of step I, the evacuation of any
>     thoughts from the mind) and I have been wondering exactly what level
>     of concentration is necessary for the completion of this step.
>     It seems to be that there are about 4 levels of clarity
>     1)an intensly outlined picture, I rarely get these anymore and only
>     for a second at a time.
>     2)a stream of thoughts with no accompaning pictures, This happens to
>     me now and then, maybe once per 5-10 mins of meditation, but it
>     happens for around 10-30 seconds at a time.
>     3) Pictures that are seen but are pushed out of the mind so quickly
>     that they are barely considered, does this count at a "thought"?
>     This happens to me fairly frequently, maybe once per 30 seconds.
>     4) perfect clarity, this is where you have an absolute mental
>     vaccum. I can usually maintain this for between 10 and 30 seconds
>     then I will usually have something from #3 occur then return to this
>     state.

>     The way Bardon states it the hermeticist must maintain state #4
>     unbroken for 10 minutes or nearly so. This seems a bit difficult
>     for this stage of development doesn't it? I would expect it to take
>     1 or 2 years to attain that, am I doing something wrong or
>     interpreting him incorrectly?
>     Thanks alot for any comments you guys can make
>     -Dave

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