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# Re: Re: Fasting

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Re: Fasting
- From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
- Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:45:35 -0700
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     Dear Jason,

    >> Might we infer that to eat an animal and expect to take on its Karma
    and emotional state (at the moment of death) is similarly unfounded?
    I understand that Hare Krishnas avoid meat for this very reason: to
    avoid the Karma & (final) emotional state of the deceased animal. <<

    Karma is not something that can, in any manner, be passed along through
    the consumption of flesh. It is not a *physical* substance. However,
    the final emotional state of terror that commercially slaughtered
    animals experience does effect their flesh and as a consequence does
    effect the person who eats that flesh.

    >> I understand that Buddhists avoid meat because the flesh of animals
    is of a "lower vibrational frequency" than that of plants. And that if
    one aspires to refining their own mental processes, avoidance of these
    "lower frequencies" is recommended. <<

    There is validity to the concept that different foods have different
    "vibrational frequencies". In conjunction with this, different foods
    require different actions on the part of the human body to digest. For
    example, meat requires a different set of enzymes and acids to digest
    than do vegetables. Many folks do find great value in a vegetarian diet
    in relation to their spiritual quest. However, vegetarianism does not
    in and of itself mean that one is therefore more spiritual than a meat
    eater. I have personally know many vegetarians who possess a very "low
    vibrational frequency" and also many meat eaters who possess very "high
    vibrational frequencies".

    >> Besides, surely the Karmic profile/emotional state of any incarnated
    being (animal, plant, whatever) is not "stored" in the physical body
    anyway, and therefore not transferred during the *eating* of that body?
    <<

    Emotional states are stored in flesh. For example, when an animal
    experience terror, great amounts of adrenaline are excreted into the
    blood stream. On top of the chemical composition, emotions are also
    stored in the energetic composition of flesh.

    >> Similarly, with respect to Buddhist philosophy, surely the ingestion
    of material of a particular vibrational frequency by the *physical* body
    would have little or no bearing upon the refinement of the *mental*
    body? <<

    Once again, it's an issue of the Earth Element (primarily) and its
    function of holding the three bodies together.

    >> Finally, regarding the other popular argument - that's it's cruel to
    contribute to the slaughter of animals by being a meat-eater - while
    compassionate, surely misses the point that it's *just* as cruel to kill
    plants? Would a plant not suffer as much as an animal during
    harvest/slaughter? <<

    A vegetable is the plant's attempt to make seeds. It is not the life of
    the plant itself. When you harvest a zucchini, for example, the plant
    will feel the wound of where you've severed the zucchini and will
    immediately begin the process of healing, but it does not experience
    terror. Many other vegetables are harvested at the very end of the
    plant's life cycle, such a rice, for example, when there is no loss to
    the plant at all.

    Commercial mono-culture however, is offensive to the plant's
    consciousness, especially when it is treated with chemicals.

    >> Which might leave one wondering: "What *can* I eat with impunity?".
    I would suggest: "Anything you like!". Anyroad, I'm off to get a Big
    Mac or two......... ;-) ;-) <<

    It depends upon what you mean by impunity. Surely those two Big Macs
    come with a high price to your health and to the planet in general.
    Ignoring consequences is not impunity.

    Since we must eat in order to sustain our bodies, it's more a matter of
    which consequences do *you* feel comfortable bearing.

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    23 Aug 2003
    rawnclark@...
    rawn@...
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