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# RE: Classic Alchemy texts

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- Subject: RE: [BardonPraxis] Classic Alchemy texts
- From: "Paul Condran" <paulcondran@...>
- Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:04:56 +1000
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    Hello Hilda

    I ordered it through this publisher online a few days ago

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: hilda cain [mailto:celticlady2u@...]
    > Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2004 11:53 AM
    > To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: RE: [BardonPraxis] Classic Alchemy texts
    >
    > Could someone please, tell me where I can find a copy of
    > Beat's book? I can't seem to locate A copy. Hilda
    >
    > Richard Scott <rscott@...> wrote:
    > Thanks for the links & commentary.
    > Two of the links are familiar, but when I get the time I'll
    > definitely check out the others.
    >
    >
    > R
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Graeme Wilson [mailto:gnwilson@...]
    > Sent: 02 August 2004 23:12
    > To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Classic Alchemy texts
    >
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > (My views follow, some thoughts to mull over, grist for the
    > mill so they
    > say)
    >
    > There is much debate over the 'value' of classic alchemical
    > texts. First of all, many alchemical texts were written by
    > people who already knew alchemy and (it is said) wrote more
    > to show that they knew the process, and let other alchemists
    > know that they knew. So, it is claimed, often they missed
    > important steps in the process out, or they mixed some of the
    > steps around, so those who don't know what they're doing
    > cannot follow them. And of course much was written in
    > allegorical language, and it can be difficult to tell which
    > is being spoken plainly and straight up, and which is being
    > alluded to, or described by extended metaphor (unless you
    > already know the secret).
    >
    > Secondly, there is debate over who actually 'knew' the
    > 'right' way, or any way at all.
    >
    > If you read the article on the Ingaleses, entitled "Did they
    > confect the philosophers stone"
    > ( http://www.crow-caw.com/TPS%20Pages/Articles/INGALESE.TXT)
    > Richard Ingalese is quoted as having stated that he agreed
    > with the statement: "Some one has said, 'You can destroy all
    > other books on alchemy, for their knowledge and more is
    > contained in the alchemical writings of Paracelsus." Mrs
    > Ingalese told the Occult Review's Mrs McKenzie that A. E.
    > Waite's edition of _The Hermetic and Alchemical Writings of
    > Paracelsus_ were "the volumes that afforded her the most
    > encouragement and help in her subsequent efforts."
    >
    > If you look at Pernety's "The Great Art"
    > (
    > http://www.geocities.com/librorumprohibitorum/pernety-the-grea
    t-art.htm)
    > You will find his thoughts on arriving at 'the Secret':
    >
    > "Of the Means of Arriving at the Secret
    >
    > The requirements necessary in order to arrive at this Secret,
    > are: the knowledge of Nature and of one's self. One may not
    > understand the first perfectly, or even the second, without
    > the aid of Alchemy. The love of wisdom, the horror of crime,
    > and of falsehood, the avoidance of cacochemists, the
    > association of the wise, the invocation of the Holy Spirit;
    > not to add secret to secret, to attach one's self only to one
    > thing (because God and Nature delight in unity and
    > simplicity), such are the conditions necessary for obtaining
    > the divine revelation.
    >
    > Man being the epitome of all Nature, must learn to know
    > himself as the summary, the miniature of Nature. By his
    > spiritual part he is allied to all immortal creatures, and by
    > his material part, to all that which is transient in the Universe."
    >
    > If you do intend to work your way through the classic
    > alchemical texts, then I highly recommend reading Pernety, as
    > he helps describe the world of hermetic philosophy through
    > which many of the classic alchemists wrote about their works.
    >
    > Regardie's "Philosophers Stone" (available from
    > http://www.geocities.com/librorumprohibitorum/ ) is another
    > good way to get aquainted with Hermetic Philosophy as it
    > relates to alchemical texts.
    > However it was written at a time when Regardie believed the
    > texts to only relate to spiritual matters, and said
    > laboratory alchemy was a load of old cobblers. (Later he
    > studying alchemy from Frater Albertus).
    >
    > Another recommended technique I've seen (which makes sense
    > from a magical
    > perspective) is to read all you can about the life and times
    > of the alchemist whose text you wish to study. Then meditate
    > on the alchemist. In you inner mind assume their energy, and
    > see yourself reading books on alchemy, working in the lab,
    > making realisations, etc, etc... being as creative as you can
    > about the whole process. From this, you can assist your
    > learning about the process. If you have someone to work with
    > you (who knows Hypnosis or related trance processes) perhaps
    > they can guide you in this process.
    >
    > Also, don't overlook modern books such as Herbert Stanley Redgrove's
    > "Alchemy: Ancient and Modern (
    > http://www.hermetics.org/ebooks.html ) which also contains
    > brief biographies of some of the classical alchemists. There
    > is also plenty of thoughts (pro and contra) which can arise
    > after reading modern alchemists' views on the classic texts.
    > There are various groups on Yahoo dedicated to alchemy, and
    > some of the practicing alchemists are willing to teach you
    > what they know, but often they will require some committment
    > from you in the beginning, such as obtaining labware and
    > doing some of the herbal work (with little assistance) to
    > "prove your worth"
    > (perhaps) ... at very least most of them seem to have a low
    > tolerance to time wasters (can't blame them really).
    >
    > Finally, I know the address of Adam McLean's site has already
    > been posted but I thought it would be worthwhile mentioning
    > that there is also a mirror site located at:
    > http://www.alchemywebsite.com/ (easier to remember).
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Graeme
    >
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