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# Re: First 3 steps- questions-experience-clarification

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] First 3 steps- questions-experience-clarification
- From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
- Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:29:56 -0800
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    Dear 'setiamon',

    >> 1 step detachment,one is supposed to center oneself and not get lost
    in thought trains,The question is how exactly?when a thought train
    starts outside of my detached state my mind naturaly travels with the
    thoughttrain even while maintaining a centered conciousness,if i
    completly center myself that would cease the thoughttrains and be no
    different then the 3rd excercise of emptyness of thoughts.DOes this step
    mearly mean not to lose all of ones self to the external sphere of
    thoughts?is it okay to let some of myself move with the thought train as
    long as the totality of my will isn't asorbed into it? <<

    No. Just *observe*. This is different than "following" a train of
    thoughts. Just observe, without *any* involvement, whatever transpires,
    even if by detaching from participation in its workings, your mind
    happens to quiet itself. Just *observe* :)

    >> 2 one pointedness of mind:I have been doing image oriented meditation
    for nearly a decade now but if i understand reading previous post this
    isn't what it means(suprise to me) and that i should be only meditating
    on the underlining thought-seed or thoughtpattern,the thing is
    automaticly when i think of a thought the image appears in my mind(maybe
    as a byproduct of years of visualization excercises) I supress the image
    aspect of the thought to a greater degree but its always there in the
    darkness behind the boarder illuminated by its own light,Infact I
    expereince it like standing infront of a room with many halls(being the
    unconciouss) extending out from the thought(metaphoricly of course) each
    hall leading to a seperate sense-information room,like image, smells,
    sounds, texture, taste and so forth,the question is do I supress the
    halls the best i can and mearly focus on the thought?I could use a more
    nuanced discription of this part <<

    Instead of suppressing the image, you *focus your whole attention upon
    the thought/idea*. If images are a natural part of your thinking then
    so be it, just don't focus upon the images and forsake the *thought*
    itself. This exercise is about *mental* discipline and doing with your
    mind what *you* want it to do, which is why the exercise begins with
    remaining aware of yourself during normal day-to-day activities.

    >> 3 emptyness of mind,When supressing thoughts i find my awareness
    shifts to subtler things,not thoughts but aspects of my body and not
    mearly the physical one, <<

    Yes, this is normal and is the point of the exercise -- it introduces
    you to the other, bigger part of awareness that is not bound or limited
    to thoughts and thinking. There are countless levels to awareness and
    by practicing EOM consistently, you will encounter each of them, one
    after the other. The big thing to watch out for is a reversion to
    *thinking* about the new layer you've encountered. EOM is about
    *BEing*, *perceiving* and *experiencing*, but *never* about thinking.
    Thinking comes *after* the EOM session, not *during* it. EOM is, in may
    ways, also an extension of the first mental exercise in that it requires
    detachment when you encounter a new (to you) layer of awareness. Each
    layer is observed/perceived but not pursued (at least not within the
    context of your EOM session).

    >> i find it diffacult to supress this awareness but when i do i meet
    the biggest stubling block (fear) and the uncharted territory beyond
    that... I find that at a point fear manifest as shadowy presence outside
    of my body infact its almost like my energy or aura is being streched
    off of my body and being formed into slight presences,shadowy presence
    which i find very diffacult to ignore so much that i tend to open my
    eyes and see these images,usually shadowy figures of men, <<

    EOM is based upon a prior mastery of the first two mental exercises. I
    suggest that you master those exercises before you engage in EOM. It is
    clear that you are not exercising any mental discipline (i.e., your mind
    is being led instead of you directing your mind) and you are reverting
    to a *thinking* mode.

    >> I did the soulmirrors deal and long since symbolized my fear as the
    water element,weak and vulnerable feeling,so i try and visualize myself
    as fire etc and it does cut some of the tension,but i need this part
    illuminated better by someone who's crossed this fear area... <<

    The solution is the character transformation work of Steps Two and Three
    during which you will face each one of your fears head-on and transform
    them. But within the context of EOM, the task is to detach from
    *participation* of any kind in those fears. Just *perceive* them and
    let them go. BE *with* them.

    >> also I'v had other negative presence experiences when fear hasn't
    arisen in my mind in meditation,very strange and negative ones for
    instance <<

    All of this is resolved through the character transformation work which
    leads to an Astral Equilibrium of the Elements.

    >> The best i can guess is that this is my mental body???I'm not sure
    what i should do at this point.. <<

    *Within the context of EOM*, you should just perceive it and let it go
    and, above all, don't revert to *thinking* about the experience *during*
    your EOM session.

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    16 Dec 2004
    rawnclark@...
    rawn@...
    http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis
    http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe

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