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# Re: Dear Rawn and Martin

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- Subject: Re: Dear Rawn and Martin
- From: "Kiyan" <fist_of_mars@...>
- Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 04:47:09 -0000
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    Do you know what helped me with emptiness of mind? Animals.
    Especially so-called primitive ones. Right now I've got a snake,
    tortoise, and some land crabs living with me. They spend a lot of
    time immobile, awake, doing nothing. By pretending to be them to the
    point where i was no longer thinking about pretending to be them, I'd
    get into this primitive animal headspace where all I'd do is breathe,
    and my thoughts would be ... nothing.

    I've run into a weird feeling where my breathing gets very deep and
    shallow, but it doesn't seem dangerous. I use an alarm clock to
    break out of it.

    This probably won't help the majority, but maybe people who also have
    a kinship with the so-called primitive animals.

    Slanted,

    Kiyan

    p.s.: sad to see this group go.

    --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@n...>
    wrote:
    > Dear Joel,
    >
    > >> Concerning EOM..I still have a doubt..the progress in the
    exercise,
    > it isn't linear right? Some days the results are better, others the
    > results are worst, but with time, you progress and master it right?
    <<
    >
    > Yes. Just relax and *experience* the process you are going through
    with
    > this exercise, Joel. Let go of all your worries about how what you
    are
    > accomplishing is *not* "good enough". These worries take you away
    from
    > the immediacy of self-awareness that EOM is meant to reveal and
    > cultivate. Just *track* (i.e., take note of) your progress instead
    of
    > obsessing about your rate of progress.
    >
    > With Step One especially, you are *learning* about yourself at every
    > level and an important part of getting to know yourself in this
    way, is
    > the process of letting go of your expectations and simply
    *experiencing*
    > what *is*, as *it* is. When you get caught up in "this isn't
    happening
    > quick enough", you immediately shift away from *experiencing* what
    *is*,
    > as *it* is. In the end, this slows a person's rate of actual
    progress
    > because what *is* -- when *experienced* as *it* is -- leads us very
    > rapidly toward success.
    >
    > >> Rawn, concerning the emptiness of mind itself..during the
    exercise, I
    > focus on the mental vibration of no thoughts. <<
    >
    > This might be a good method of leading yourself *into* an EOM state
    but
    > *maintaining* this focus is not a true emptiness of mind. With EOM,
    > there is no "doing" -- there is only BEing.
    >
    > >> Sometimes, if I focus a lot..I can feel the mental vibration
    before
    > it become a thought in my mind, and feeling that vibration, I can
    stop
    > it from manifestat itself, so, I don't think at all. <<
    >
    > When you are doing this, are you thinking about the process? For
    > example, are you thinking, "okay, I'm looking out for that mental
    > vibration now . . . there it is, but before it becomes a full
    thought,
    > I'd better stop it . . . okay, I've stopped it . . . now I'm
    looking out
    > for that mental vibration again . . ." ?
    >
    > >> To have this..sensitivity skill concerning the mental vibration,
    for
    > Bardon, is a necessary skill to move on to other exercises after
    EOM? <<
    >
    > A natural by-product of EOM practice is an increase in the
    immediacy of
    > your self-awareness. In other words, you become continuously aware
    of
    > yourself, and at a deeper and deeper level the longer you have
    > practiced. The sensitivity you describe is a natural by-product of
    > early EOM practice in which you become continuously aware of the
    surface
    > mind's content and can therefore perceive when thoughts are about to
    > arise into awareness.
    >
    > My best to you,
    > :) Rawn Clark
    > 16 Apr 2005
    > rawnclark@n...
    > rawn@a...
    > http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis
    > http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe

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