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# Ponderations

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- To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: Ponderations
- From: Justin B <devilsgoatee@...>
- Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:51:58 -0700 (PDT)

    Hello all at Bardon Praxis!

    I have been turning some things over in my head for the past month or two.
    Since the things i am pondering are steps away and i am not actively working on
    those steps, i am still quite curious. I know from past experience that when
    one is actively on the step it becomes considerably more clear. In actuality i
    am not even really looking for a definite answer, more along the ideas of
    ...."think on this...your missing something from the total picture..etc." I
    think an "answer" would take all the fun out of it lol.

    This one was asked by a friend who has read Mr.Bardons works but not pursuing
    the work it self. "When one reaches the end of step 10 Mr.Bardon says there is
    nothing more he can tell the initiate for he has become one with Deity. Yet we
    have 2 more books after this!" I gave the answer i thought that made sense ,
    that the magician does not *need* those books, it just makes things easier on
    him to have the information instead of collecting it all by himself. However
    the more i think about that "answer" the more i see holes. Now i understand
    information wise the difference between merging with personal God and the Unity
    as Mr. Clark has written on. That being said....

    - If the magician is merged with Deity, why would he need to read and learn how
    to evoke spirits or speak in the universal language. Would not the merging
    bring the magician into that knowledge of the cosmic language and no need to
    evoke a spirit since they are one with God? What could a spirit tell you or why
    do you need to show your magical authority over a spirit when you are one with
    God?

    - I know there must be a quantum level of difference between personal Deity and
    the Unity. So as i see it one first merges with the personal Deity and then
    progresses up the Tree merging with higher god forms until they have the
    potential to accept a merger with the Unity. So is this where PME and KTQ come
    in? Possibly The merger with ones personal Deity is not as awe-some and
    connecting as i think and only a "device" to raise ones four primary aspects to
    a higher level. If this were the case i see that one would need to slowly work
    with spirits/geniuses up to deities until Unity is reached. So this beings me
    to : are books 2 and 3 apart of step 10 in a way? Meaning in step 10 spirit you
    rise along the planes up to Unity. In step 10 astral you build your personal
    god. This is not completed truly until one works on all three books at once
    integrating all these energies into the self, mastering the spherical sentient
    energies by evocation and the cosmic lawfulness by tetra-polar speech.

    - I have a friend who does ritual invocations of the Greek deities. I have seen
    these rituals and they are beautiful and fascinating. Now his face and demeanor
    change and you can tell that there is something different. Watching the aura
    around him i can see a completely different energy. Its more vibrant and more
    plentiful. He gives each one in the circle a dialog that is helpful or has some
    importance to the future. Now i know that Mr.Bardon says these are possessions.
    What i am wondering: Is this in some way what Mr.Bardon speaks of in the
    merging with personal Deity, except that one builds the Deity and not takes a
    "ready-made one"? When one is progressing up the spheres does one truly merge
    with the deities met? What makes it different than possession as spoken by
    Mr.Bardon before? Maybe i am wrong maybe one is only to converse with the
    deities as they rise up? This would still produce an effect within the
    initiate, most anyone recognizes the fact we all adapt to the environment
    or setting. Over a period of time it would make sense one would take on more
    deified qualities by being around them more.

    -Would it be possible from a mere theoretical point of view to not create and
    merge with a personal Deity and only connect to the deities one meets along the
    way until finally reaching the Unity? If it were possible what would be the
    advantages or disadvantages of this process compared to the steps one should do
    as per Mr. Bardon. (let me say i am not proposing i want to do the skipping of
    the personal Deity, it's mere theoretical thought.This is the only one i want
    more of an answer to if possible, considering i will be doing the step exactly
    as Mr. Bardon states)

    - I really am sympathetic to the types of ritual-less evocations Mr. Mistelle
    discusses on his site. I find them much more appealing than getting all dressed
    up, ritual weapons and wands, etc.etc. I know that when one masters a sphere
    one can do away with the tools and evoke without them. I know that the tools
    are there for the memory and the mind. So really it just takes one to "program"
    their mind right? Also he speaks on joining his mind to spirits to understand
    their minds and spending time in the mental body meditating with or near the
    spirit. I have a few thoughts on this but they have not matured to ripeness
    yet. I should maybe email him on those thoughts another day.

    Well those are my ponderings. It helped alot just to type them all out and see
    them. I have always found writing out a question makes you realize many things
    about the question or thoughts you are having. Ill be interested in any further
    questions raised by this or suggestions given for further meditation.

    Thanks for your time.
    Have a great day.

    Yours in truth,

    Justin B

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