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# Re: Digest Number 604

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Digest Number 604
- From: Nik Haverkamp <stanni76@...>
- Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 00:14:22 -0800 (PST)
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    Dear Rawn,

    thanks for the advice and clarification.
    Many thanks,

    Nik
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    > There are 5 messages in this issue.
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    > Topics in this digest:
    >
    > 1. Re: "thought control" exercise question
    > From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
    > 2. Re: "thought control" exercise question
    > From: "Sarah Thee Campagna"
    > <ArtOfHands@...>
    > 3. Re: Digest Number 603
    > From: Nik Haverkamp <stanni76@...>
    > 4. Fw: Welcome to BardonPraxis
    > From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
    > 5. Re: Digest Number 603
    > From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
    >
    >
    >
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    > Message: 1
    > Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:18:37 -0800
    > From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
    > Subject: Re: "thought control" exercise question
    >
    > >> I need to make certain that I understand the
    > object of the exercise.
    > As I understand it, the aim is that during
    > successive days, fewer and
    > fewer thoughts will appear and the mind will be
    > generally less chaotic.
    > <<
    >
    > No. The aim is to *attentively observe*, without
    > participating in any
    > way, *whatever* occurs in your mind. Even though
    > the exercise is called
    > thought "control", it's *not* about controlling the
    > mind, slowing the
    > thoughts, etc.. See
    > http://www.ABardonCompanion.com/Control.html The
    > only real exercising of "control" is in the area of
    > maintaining your
    > attention to what is going on while controlling your
    > natural urge to
    > participate in the thoughts that do arise.
    >
    > >> I certainly know that I have not mastered this
    > exercise yet, because
    > little has changed from day to day. However, how DO
    > I know when I have
    > mastered it? <<
    >
    > This exercise is considered "mastered" when you can
    > attentively observe
    > the contents of your mind for 10 minutes, *without*
    > in any way
    > participating in what you observe and without
    > digression (i.e., loss of
    > attentiveness).
    >
    > My best to you,
    > :) Rawn Clark
    > 03 Dec 2004
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    > Message: 2
    > Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:16:00 -0500
    > From: "Sarah Thee Campagna"
    > <ArtOfHands@...>
    > Subject: Re: "thought control" exercise question
    >
    > Thanks once again Rawn. I did read your info in the
    > FB companion and it is helpful. I feel I have a
    > better handle on this now.
    >
    > In the past I have practiced an exercise where I was
    > to observe my breathing as if it was the breathing
    > of someone else - without being involved or attached
    > to the breathing. I understand that breathing and
    > thoughts are not the same thing, but at least I have
    > some experience at detaching from and observing
    > something that is going on "inside" myself.
    >
    > Again, thank you for your time.
    >
    > Sarah
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Rawn Clark
    > To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:18 PM
    > Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] "thought control"
    > exercise question
    >
    >
    > >> I need to make certain that I understand the
    > object of the exercise.
    > As I understand it, the aim is that during
    > successive days, fewer and
    > fewer thoughts will appear and the mind will be
    > generally less chaotic.
    > <<
    >
    > No. The aim is to *attentively observe*, without
    > participating in any
    > way, *whatever* occurs in your mind. Even though
    > the exercise is called
    > thought "control", it's *not* about controlling
    > the mind, slowing the
    > thoughts, etc.. See
    > http://www.ABardonCompanion.com/Control.html The
    > only real exercising of "control" is in the area
    > of maintaining your
    > attention to what is going on while controlling
    > your natural urge to
    > participate in the thoughts that do arise.
    >
    > >> I certainly know that I have not mastered this
    > exercise yet, because
    > little has changed from day to day. However, how
    > DO I know when I have
    > mastered it? <<
    >
    > This exercise is considered "mastered" when you
    > can attentively observe
    > the contents of your mind for 10 minutes,
    > *without* in any way
    > participating in what you observe and without
    > digression (i.e., loss of
    > attentiveness).
    >
    > My best to you,
    > :) Rawn Clark
    > 03 Dec 2004
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    > rawn@...
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    > Message: 3
    > Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 07:17:56 -0800 (PST)
    > From: Nik Haverkamp <stanni76@...>
    > Subject: Re: Digest Number 603
    >
    > Dear Rawn,
    >
    > I thought that I had mastered the though control
    > exercise when I moved on to the next stage. I only
    > did
    > the negative portion of the soul mirror, and that
    > was
    > about 6 months ago...I think that you have hit the
    > nail on the head. My approach is too disorganized. I
    > want to eat the whole cake at once, so to say.
    > Should I focus only on one step at a time? Lets say,
    > spend on part of my meditation focusing on though
    >
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