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# Re: Going mental??

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Going mental??
- From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
- Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:50:15 -0800
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    Dear Eric,

    >> My first question is about thoughts and ideas. Bardon mentions that
    ideas are from the Akashic plane. <<

    By 'ideas' here, Bardon means the causal or primal ideas. These are
    Akashic and exist beyond the human definition of 'ideas'. On the other
    hand, when I refer to the Air region of the mental body and its direct
    perception of thoughts and ideas, I am not referring to the Akashic
    ideas, but rather to that level of human mentation that works with
    thinking and the manipulation of mundane thought structures (i.e.,
    "ideas"). This is the level that frames every perception in words that
    express thoughts and ideas.

    >> Does this correspond with essential meaning in the Archeous , and
    the Fire region of the mental body ? <<

    Bardon's 'Akashic ideas' does correspond to my 'essential meaning'. But
    essential meaning doesn't *exist in* the Fire region. My point in the
    Archaeous, is that it is *with the Fire region* of our temporal mental
    bodies, that we *directly perceive* the Akashic essential meaning.

    >> My next level of quandary has to do with confusion over what is the
    Self, what is the Spirit, and what is the mental body. These terms seem
    to overlap from what I can tell, but I'm hoping for more clarity. In
    the IIH, it sounds as if the Self is the 'spiritual EGO' and is
    Akashic. Is this the true self, and if so where is this found on the
    Tree of Return? (Kether, Ain Soph)? Bardon does relate the Akasha to
    Binah in KTQ, as I recall. <<

    In Bardon's system, 'spirit' always equals 'mental body' but there are
    two distinct levels of spirit/mental body; the temporal and the eternal.
    Instead of writing an essay in response, I refer you to
    http://www.ABardonCompanion.com/Structure.html which I think will
    answer these specific questions. Another place to look in this regard
    is http://www.ABardonCompanion.com/Sowantha.html

    >> For example in the 4th card fragment in Frabato, Bardon mentions the
    personality as being the combination of Will, Intellect and Feeling. Is
    this the same as the combination called personality if the 8TM
    (which is Lunar), or the consciousness in the IIH (Malkuth in 8TM)?
    <<

    'Will' in this case is the Tiphareth level of Individual Self. In terms
    of its decent toward corporeal existence, 'feeling' is Netzach (the
    level of instinctual emotion) and 'intellect' is Hod (the level of the
    rational intellect). Hod and Netzach provide the astral clothing for
    the Tipharet mental Individual Self which produces the personal self or
    Yesod self. In the Archaeous, Yesod is the astra-mental body -- also
    known as the conjoined Fire, Air and Water regions of the mental body.
    The Earth region of the mental body is Malkuth (the mundane
    consciousness as a whole).

    >> Then there is the sub-conscious, which is the polar opposite of
    consciousness in the IIH? It sounds from the 8TM as if this were Lunar.
    <<

    The subconscious is generally attributed to Yesod because it is lunar in
    nature (i.e., rhythmic, changeable, reflective, magnetic, etc.), but in
    truth it cannot be associated firmly with just a single sephirot. It is
    a *process*, a *dynamic relationship* of various factors of *human*
    consciousness, better ascribed to a sequence of Paths than to a single
    sephirot.

    The *sub*conscious is NOT the polar opposite of the conscious*ness* --
    it is the polar opposite of the conscious *awareness*. In other words,
    it's every part of our conscious*ness* that we are not immediately
    applying at this specific moment of time. The *sub*conscious is a *part
    of* our whole conscious*ness*. It is *part of* what Bardon attributes
    to the Earth Element as "the consciousness with all its aspects
    establishing the connection of all the three Elements", and which I
    attribute to the Earth region of the mental body in the Archaeous.

    >> Lastly, where is the Will or Intellect of the IIH found in the
    Tree? <<

    There is no single answer that fits with every time that Bardon mentions
    intellect and will! ;-) In relation to the personality 'will' is
    usually Tiphareth and 'intellect' is Hod. In relation to the Individual
    Self, 'will' is Gebruah and 'intellect' is Chesed. In relation to The
    One Self, 'will' is the Atziluthic and 'intellect' is the Briatic. But
    still these are just sort of convenient but only half accurate
    responses. The problem is that the four Hermetic Elements, upon which
    Bardon's "will, intellect, feeling and consciousness" attributions were
    based, do not mesh perfectly with Kabbalist Tree of Life which is based
    upon only *three* overt Elements. In many ways, it's as problematic as
    trying to mesh the Hermetic four Elements with the five Chinese
    Elements.

    >> My last confusion relates to perception. Given the answers to the
    above questions, where does perception fit into the planetary scheme of
    things, and into the levels of self? And how does this connect to the
    'feeling' from the IIH which is mental/ spiritual, and the 'reflective
    mental matrix'? <<

    Perception is a function of the mental body or conscious awareness. On
    the Tree of Life, this is the Middle Pillar. Malkuth is the Earth
    region of the mental body and represents the direct perception of
    physical sensation. Yesod corresponds to the Water region of the mental
    body and the direct perception of emotional significance. Tiphareth
    corresponds to both the Air and Fire regions of the mental body. The
    Air region to the direct perception of thoughts/ideas which is focused
    downward and projecting toward the personal levels of self, and the Fire
    region to the upward focused and receptive direct perception of
    essential meaning. Kether represents the Akashic region of The Mental
    Body of The One Self. In more personal terms, Binah represents the
    Akashic region of the temporal mental body and is, in fact, our own
    eternal mental body or Greater Self.

    >> I hope my questions don't drive anyone into a mental institution. <<

    The little white men in the little white truck are coming to take me
    away! Ah ha! ;-)

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    06 Feb 2003
    rawnclark@...
    rawn@...
    http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis

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