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# Re: desire in hermeticism

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- Subject: Re: desire in hermeticism
- From: "hermetics10" <hermetics10@...>
- Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:11:25 -0000
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    Frater Serpentis Satori,

    By saying you can't mitigate suffering I didn't mean to say that you
    can't alleviate it. What I meant by mitigate was making it seem not
    as bad. I just wanted to make that clear if it was misleading.

    I already posted this same message but I'm not sure if it got
    through so I'm posting it again.

    I also I'm not going to post for a while so you don't have to reply
    to this message.

    beginner

    --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "hermetics10"
    <hermetics10@y...> wrote:
    >
    > Frater Serpentis Satori,
    >
    > You can't mitigate suffering but I've always thought that to want
    to
    > escape life because suffering exists and is possible is too much.
    > I'm not really a fan of Buddhism.
    >
    > beginner
    >
    > --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, Serpentis Satori
    > <serpentsatori@y...> wrote:
    > > LVX
    > > Just in that you lack an ego to participate in "human drama"
    > and "self-created suffering". You just handle it in a more
    detached
    > way, but in fact you come in contact with great suffering and
    sorrow
    > at that level, because it reminds you of the import of
    > Compassion/The Great Work.
    > > So you spend more time being selfless, and helping others who
    > seek Liberation.
    > > LVX
    > > Frater Serpentis Satori
    > >
    > > hermetics10 <hermetics10@y...> wrote:
    > >
    > > Frater Serpentis Satori,
    > >
    > > I was just thinking that when you reached the level of
    perfection
    > > then you would have control over how much suffering you would
    > > encounter.
    > >
    > > Ardeshir
    > >
    > > --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, Serpentis Satori
    > > <serpentsatori@y...> wrote:
    > > > LVX
    > > > Well Alchemic Hermeticism (Rosey Cross School at least),
    > > espouses something akin to the Buddhasitva Oath, that is often
    > > called Making the World Gold, or The Great Elevation which will
    > end
    > > suffering, but as you say, through a radically different means.
    > > > Evola wrote a book about Buddhism that is very good, and
    > > Crowley's teacher Alan Benet founded the British Buddhist
    Society,
    > > so this hybrid of both Buddhism & Hermeticism at least dates to
    > the
    > > Edwardian Age. Bardon seems very familiar with much of Tibetian
    > > Theory, likely Evens-Wentz as well.
    > > > LVX
    > > > Frater Serpentis Satori
    > > >
    > > > hermetics10 <hermetics10@y...> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Serpentis Satori,
    > > >
    > > > Thank you for your reply. I understood what you said. From my
    > > > understanding Hermeticism doesn't espouse Buddhism's goal of
    non-
    > > > existence and non-involvement which I ultimately see as also
    > > serving
    > > > the purpose of the cessationg of suffering though through a
    > > > different outlook or goal.
    > > >
    > > > Thank you again for your reply.
    > > >
    > > > beginner
    > > >
    > > > --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, Serpentis Satori
    > > > <serpentsatori@y...> wrote:
    > > > > LVX
    > > > > Hermeticism is focused on purifying ourselves, so we may
    > > rejoin
    > > > our divinity while training our Will in many sub-sytems.
    > Buddhism
    > > is
    > > > focused upon releasing us from the chains & imprisonment of
    > > > Ignorance so we will cease incarnation. These goals only
    > > > supperficially contradict each other.
    > > > > Hermeticism often sees The Will, as the only other
    Absolute
    > > > after The Creator/The Divine, and so it is spoken of in
    similar
    > > > reverance. This is the Arete of Homer, The True Will of
    Crowley
    > > (of
    > > > similar thought by Bardon check the list archives!), and the
    > > Purpose
    > > > of Matrix:Reloaded. The entire Path of Hermeticism serves this
    > > end,
    > > > every Grade Initiation or Exercise strengthen that, from
    > Banishing
    > > > Circle to Bornless One & Beyond.
    > > > > Buddhism is as Evens-Wynz put it " the ethical system for
    > the
    > > > science of yoga", and is not so much about Refusing Desire, as
    > it
    > > is
    > > > about Release from Attachments, though Lust/Hunger is an
    > > Attachment.
    > > > This is the Path to Enlightenment, the gradual freedom from
    > > > attachment until one is Enlightened and no longer imprisoned
    by
    > > > Ignorance.
    > > > > These goals, though stated as different, can be
    > > complimentary
    > > > and eventually I believe their will come greater synthesis
    > between
    > > > the Great Systems of the East and West. But to do that
    > Hermeticism
    > > > must be founded on truth, with Will and Evolution as its
    > pillars.
    > > > The complementary Buddhism is often Zen or Dzogchan, both
    > focusing
    > > > upon the Inherent Purity of all, but giving techniques to
    > remember
    > > > our perfection, much like Hermeticism.
    > > > > Feel free to post me privately if you need further
    > > > clarification in this,
    > > > > Frater Serpentis Satori
    > > > >
    > > > > hermetics10 <hermetics10@y...> wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > Buddhism views desire as a bad thing? What is Hermeticism's
    > view
    > > > on
    > > > > desire? Does desire impede becoming pure which is a main
    goal
    > of
    > > > > Hermeticism?
    > > > >
    > > > > beginner
    > > > >
    > > > >
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