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- Subject: Re: questions . . .
- From: "peter_reist" <peter_reist@...>
- Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 01:39:11 -0000
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    Dear Rawn,

    >>>Good! :) It's *essential* that you continue your IIH progress if
    you wish to progress with KTQ.<<<

    This would relate back to my previous statement as to how far I can
    go with the work in Kabbalah with the stage that I am at. I ment, if
    I left my practicing of the steps of IIH and started working almost
    exclusivly upon the work of KTQ it is fairly obvious that I could
    only go so far. As such, I guess I'm going to have to be balancing my
    work between IIH and KTQ.

    >>>What followed was beautifully written! Would you agree to my
    including it (credited to you, of course) in my next website update
    of the Correspondence section? As you say, others will benefit from
    what you've written.<<<

    Sure thing.

    >>>Just like you mention further on about the progression of steps to
    learning the direct perception of essential meaning, the same
    incremental process, starting from the densest layer and moving
    upwards to the more and more ephemeral, is applied. You start with
    the VE which is a dense Elemental composite. Then you move up the
    ladder of density to the Elements and learn to master them. The
    experience with the Elements leads you to the perception of the
    Fluids and their mastery. When you manipulate the Fluids, the
    Elements follow in accordance, so this is a "higher" form of magic.
    Without the Elemental work as a prerequisite, it would be VERY
    difficult to master the Fluids.<<<

    Then following that logic, then it would be rather difficult to
    master the letters with out mastering the fluids first. But from my
    own minimal experience with the letters, it would seem to the
    contrary. I guess, like most things there is the possibility of
    working from the bottom up, and working from the top down to some
    extent. Yet to work from the top down there is a need to have started
    and progressed well upon the path that moves from the bottom up.

    >>>This is the boundary between *perception* and *interpretation*.
    Interpretation by the lower aspects of mind kicks in almost instantly.
    This is the part of mind that first *recognizes* the perception, which
    is an act that pulls the perception out of its infinite setting and
    down into the realm of the finite. Otherwise, the brain would have no
    way of processing it. As you get more and more comfortable with the
    direct perception, you will more easily straddle the fence between
    realms, so to speak, and even learn to place your awareness in that
    microsecond between infinite perception and the beginning of finite
    interpretation. Nonetheless, you must always return to the lower
    levels of awareness so it's wise to learn the Art of integrating the
    higher perceptions into those layers.<<<

    When I first experienced the direct perception of essential meaning,
    as I described previously, it was like I was seeing "infinity within
    a blade of grass, and eternity in every hour" to put it poetically.
    Yet once I returned to normal waking consciousness, it all faded away
    into something that I could only half remember. In subsequent
    attempts to achieve the direct perception of essential meaning I had
    problems attaining such a state of mind, though when I did it was
    only for fleeting moments through whcih I have eventually been
    starting to remember more and more of the perceptions of essential
    meaning.

    >>>Yes, the Lights are different than the Elements and Fluids. They
    stand in relation to the Fluids in the same way that the Fluids do to
    the Elements. An accumulation and condensation of the Lights that
    correspond to brain and heart, within those organs will not cause a
    disruption of their electrical functions in the way that a similar
    accumulation of an Element or Fluid could. The Lights interact with
    the universal materia in a somewhat different manner than do the
    Elements and Fluids.<<<

    That makes sense. Then I take it that the working with the Lights is
    something that can be used to help heal the internal organs in a
    fashion that is potentially safer than trying to do so with the
    Elements? Such a work exists within certian Chinese traditions of
    Qigong that is known as the Wu Xing, or the five elements, which are
    associated with five of the major internal organs: heart, lungs,
    stomach, spleen and liver which are associated with five colours,
    five sounds, five directions and five planets. In a certian number of
    respects it bears a rather strong resemblence within Bardon's
    Kabbalah. Yet another expression of universal principles, I guess.

    >>>The Water pole correspondences aside, there is a difference in the
    quality of an accumulation of the various Lights. For example the 'C'
    (tzaddi) is very fiery with its vermillion red and the 'Ch' (Cheth)
    with its sparkling silvery violet, is very invigorating and alive, in
    comparison with the expansive 'A' (aleph) with its sky blue. But the
    quantity of stress (i.e., the dynamic force) that each of these
    different flavors of accumulated Light bring to the body is the
    same.<<<

    I guess this would be why Bardon calls the Fire Pole an exercise in
    the mysticism of Letters. Which in and of itself doesn't make too
    much sense, but in regards to the Golden Book of Wisdom in which
    Bardon states that magic is the study of quanity while mysticism
    refers to quality. Hence with this work I seem to be better
    understanding of the qualities of the Letters while I work with them,
    in addition to starting to spontaniously see how these qualities
    manifest throughout existence upon the mental, astral and material
    planes of existence.

    >>>As I stated in my KTQ Commentary, there are limits to what I'm
    willing to discuss regarding KTQ, in public. Some of your questions
    have already taken me right up to the boarder of my limits and I've
    debated whether to answer you here on the BardonPraxis, or to answer
    you in private instead. So don't be surprised if I end up answering
    some of your future questions here, in public, and some in private,
    through direct correspondence. :)<<<

    Having started to work through the Fire pole, I completely understand
    what you are talking about. And I also completely understand why you
    say that it is rather rare that a person who has completed step five
    within IIH has very little need for guidence from external sources
    due to their connection with their greater guardian genious. However,
    since I'm just starting the work of the passive communication with
    the great guardian genious and am working towards deeping my more
    intimate connection with it as well, I'm probably still going to be
    asking as many questions as I can in the meantime. Though most of the
    questions will be with regards to matters other than Kabbalah. I'll
    be putting forth experiences and theories that I need confirmation
    upon as to their credibility, though I'm pretty sure at one point or
    another I'm going to have to start trusting my gut on such matters.

    Love and Live well,
    Peter Reist

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