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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Practice of magical Evocation ...
- From: "JC" <oneofzero@...>
- Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:34:24 -0400
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    Rawn,
    You wrote :

    > Furthermore -- and this is *very* important -- as Emil Stejnar pointed
    > out, Bardon used a code for all of the Earth zone names. Had the author
    > of these writings actually made contact with these entities, she would
    > have know this fact. But she did not and she compounded this
    > misinformation by using the names, as printed but not decoded, to
    > compose a little section on the meaning behind the letters in each name.

    I had read about the cypher at :
    http://www.geocities.com/franzbardon/stejnar.html

    A = E F = V LH = SCH R = T V = D
    B = R G = W M = L S = N W = P
    CH = H I = O N = G T = B Y = J
    D = M K = Z O = U TZ = K ZH = CH
    E = A L = S P = F U = I Z = C

    But... was this used for ALL of the beings in PME, including the Earth-zone
    genii ?

    It was my understanding, perhaps an incorrect one, that the cypher was only
    required for the beings from the lunar & solar zones.
    Later on the same link, it shows a correlation to Abramelin's names for the
    same earthzone spirits, and a cypher isnt used for
    those names & they seem to match up.
    Also the Mercury intelligences in PME are the same as listed many other
    places by the same un-cyphered names.
    So I guess the actual question is :
    Q: What's with the cypher & when should one employ it ?

    > If you compare her words in those sections to what Bardon wrote in KTQ
    > regarding the meanings of the letters in each of the four realms
    > (Akashic, mental, astral and physical), you will see that she is just
    > paraphrasing Bardon's own words. She even went so far as to look up the
    > tonal correspondences to those letters in her copy of KTQ and labeled
    > this the spirit's "melody".

    Yes, it's an easy correlation to make. ( But is it a use-less one ? )
    I made it early on myself as I was beginning to communicate with genii of
    the various zones.
    To help me better understand the 'genetics' of the being I was going to
    contact, I would refer to KTQ
    and spend some time meditating on the key letters in the beings name, with
    the understanding that it would
    help me to better understand the key qualities, characteristics & attributes
    of that being.
    A Genius intelligence exisitng outside of time, form & matter, is going to
    be too difficult for any human mind to comprehend in its totality. Thus, we
    take it in bite-sized peices at first. Call forth, digest & understand the
    individual qualities of a being... if for nothing else, then as
    training-wheels, to get used to recognizing those qualities when we see them
    as part of a beings complete character.

    I didn't take it as far as Cynthia did, but I don't think it's a completley
    use-less tech-nique.
    I agree that all she seemed to do is make a few simple associations & then
    milked it for alot of 'prayer'-based magical meditation.
    It's definatley more of a poetic-preistess approach than Bardon, but not by
    much.
    A two-part question would be :
    Q: With the correct information, proper training & actual experience in the
    art of evocation,
    couldn't one achieve some useful insights from a kabbalistic understanding
    of the letters of a beings name ?

    Perhaps instead of evoking a being-proper & complete, you would end up
    evoking individual letters/qualities/energies into your space
    and then, like ingredients in a cake, you'd have to assemble the individual
    flour & eggs in order to create the being/effect desired.
    I could see where that might either be an advanced form of
    kabbalistic-evocation that only those with years of experiencial
    understanding should ever try to make use of... Or I could even see it as a
    lower form of evocation/higher form of volting, useful only for creating
    Grigori, servitor spirits, for simple & basic functions.
    And in the latter of those two, I can see where you would feel that it
    falls short of what Bardon intends by true evocation. But I don't have a
    problem with babysteps & training wheels if it, at least puts me in the
    ballpark of where I want to eventually be.

    Q: ...And are you saying that a spirit/intelligence DOESN'T have a melody...
    that there's no tonal-vibraration specific to each being that can help in
    establishing a handshake protocol ??
    ((( insert 'close encounters of the 3rd kind' melody here )))

    Music/sound/resonance... to me, in my art, is as important as knowing what
    color of fluid/energy to fill the mirror
    with and what elemental-associations & oscillations should be present in an
    evocation.
    To my understanding, it's about making the prepared space for the being to
    occupy as comfortable as possible by
    making it as close to it's own home soil/vibration as we possibly can.
    If the being evoked were a Scorpio-intelligence, and one fills the
    mirror/triangle with a fluid/energy that is both Red in color &
    magnetic-heavy water in sensation... then how can adding a dimension of
    sound, using the premise that it's the correct tonal signature, possibly
    detract from that ? Wouldn't it give a being one more thing to lock onto in
    order to manifest itself in the magicians presence and make its
    communication channels even that much more solid & real ?

    That's my understanding of it, please inform me where I am incorrect, for I
    truly do wish to know.
    Sound is such a wonderful example of a medium that is a phenomenon of
    physics/the physical world and yet intangible and invisable.
    Maybe it's just the musician in me, but I have to think there's a usefull
    annalogy in there somewhere.
    And where there's annalogy, there's usually a tool of some kind.

    I just wanted to comment that somewhere under all her angelfood cake of
    prayer-like inspiration, is the essence of a tech-nique that I had recieved
    by intuition as well when I first started incorporating KTQ into my
    evocations, and it's a method that I've had some success with, even though I
    didn't go quite in the direction that she went with it.

    But I do respect your opinions & understandings Rawn, and I agree there's a
    high-degree of fluff in the mix.
    I don't see her insights as earthshaking revellations, but it was... kinda
    neat. Perhaps more pretty, than useful.
    And if, for nothing else, it's nice to have the earthzone intelligences in a
    click-able format to access on my computer.
    Maybe I'm just a 21st century digital boy in love with my laptop, maybe it's
    just a slow, low-hurdle day,
    but either way, I thought it was cute.

    Anyone can feel free to answer the various questions I posed here,
    If they know something that I am missing in my understanding of the
    evocation process.

    Thank you,
    J.

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