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# Re: The first excercise

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- To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: Re: The first excercise
- From: "sineadoconnorfan" <sineadoconnorfan@...>
- Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 03:50:07 -0000
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    Hi, yes it does help. From you said it's clear to me that you
    understood the problem as I was describing it and so gave a reply or
    answer that was helpful. I actually just had a image thought that I
    didn't consciously intentionally will. The other problem that I
    have with this excercise is not getting involved in the stream of
    thoughts and cutting them off or stopping them. Do you have any
    suggestions on that? Thanks again.

    Ardeshir

    --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Photon" <shadowphoton@y...>
    wrote:
    >
    > LVX
    >
    > Not all thoughts are provoked by our will. Maybe a memory
    will
    > arise unbidden, unasked for. Maybe a good one, maybe a bad one. Or
    > you associate one thing with another, thoughts comeing forth, one
    > after another. Most peoples entire days are filled with nothing
    but
    > this, a circle of thoughts, one thought, shaping from one thing to
    > another.
    >
    > Watch your mind, any sound, any idea, any music stuck in your
    > head, even the thought, the idea "im watching my mind". Your a
    part
    > of it all, but how much of that stuff did you Will into your mind?
    > You have to relax your will and the grip/control you think you
    have
    > of your mind. Try to dispell those things, all of them, and exist
    > purely as one with the things around you, in the moment, or even
    one
    > of them. Try just for a few moments, and youll see that you dont
    have
    > has much of a grip/active role in your mind and thoughts as one
    would
    > think. The song comes back, the imagery keeps going, the thoughts
    > keep changing thier shape.
    >
    > One you can see how you have less control than you think, the
    > first step to control is the first step itself, which is to watch
    > these thoughts. Dont tell them to do anything, dont stop them if
    they
    > become unpleasant or boring, because those things in itself will
    > bring more thoughts. The mind responds to emotional stimuli, and
    vice-
    > versa. In other words, you dont have to will anything because it
    will
    > just happen, because already your thoughts have a 'will' of thier
    own
    > until you get further in the exercizes and can begin to shape them
    > and move them with your will.
    >
    > Hope this helps.
    > LVX
    > Frater ha-sufah
    >
    > --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "sineadoconnorfan"
    > <sineadoconnorfan@y...> wrote:
    > >
    > > But if anyone can give me a specific clarification of my problem
    > > with the first excercise I would appreciate it. My problem is
    that
    > > I don't see how we can have a train of thought without being
    > > actively involved in imagining it, so then I don't understand
    how
    > we
    > > can be detached from a train of thought when a train of thought
    > > requires active participation in imagining it. Thanks for your
    > help.
    > >
    > > Ardeshir

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