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# Re: A non judaic hermeticism ?

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] A non judaic hermeticism ?
- From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
- Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:47:32 -0700
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    Dear NKKA,

    >> Right until the end of step 10, the religious beliefs of the
    practitioner have little to do with the practices or the results therof.
    <<

    So long as we distinguish between *theism* and *religion*, I'd agree.
    Religion implies a dogmatic system of beliefs and this is not a
    *necessary* part of one's mago-spiritual advancement. However, some
    form of personal theism is essential for any true advancement. Without
    this particular opening of the student's heart and mind to a love of the
    divine, many doors remain closed.

    >> With PME, the scene shifts a bit . The magician within the circle ,
    dressed in a robe and holding a wand/sword is a part of the western
    "paradigm" of magic (please feel free to land heavily on me if iam wrong
    :-) ). I cannot imagine a Buddhist or a Hindu or an australian aborigine
    doing this. In fact the hindu rituals i have seen have the magician
    *sitting* outside a "mandala" type diagram (a yantra )which is not
    always circular . <<

    Nonetheless, what transpires *internally* is much the same.

    >> With KTQ the hebrew /judaic influence seems pretty heavy though the
    alphabet itself seems to be german. <<

    This is true only in relation to the structure Bardon relied upon to
    convey the underlying principles. The principles themselves are
    universal and can be applied to any formal structure. For example, the
    Hopi people of the American southwest have a system of magical utterance
    very similar to Kabbalah, but based upon a much different religious
    structure.

    >> Now for the questions :
    Is it impossible to follow the "higher" (note the quotes) levels of
    hermeticism if you are not working within the western/judaic paradigm.
    <<

    No. Bardon states very explicitly that the student can apply the
    principles of IIH to *any* religious paradigm. All it takes is a little
    inventiveness.

    >> I am surprised that the universality of iih seems to be diluted as we
    step into the realms of pme and ktq. <<

    Even though Bardon's main focus was the presenting of universal root
    principles, his own preferences and those of the culture in which he
    existed, could not help but come through to some extent.

    >> is it possible to reach level 10 of iih and then assimilate the
    teachings and knowledge of the pme and ktq by following anon judaic
    path. ok that was question 1. <<

    Yes, definitely!!!

    >> now for an even weirder question .(this is specifically for rawn . At
    first i thought i'd write off line but if it helps any others out there
    .... so ... here goes .... )
    The "Magic of ADNI YHVH" really "calls to " me. I would love to practice
    this except for the fact that i feel silly speaking Hebrew and invoking
    (sorry if that is the wrong word) the Tree of Life into my astral body
    (yeow i hope iam getting this right ) when the rest of my prayers and
    rituals are in sanskrit and directed to amore "oriental" mode of
    worship. As far as possible, i would likemy (non magical) prayers and
    worship and my IIH practices to be "congruent" .
    (Watch out this get weirder :) ) . are the specific hebrew word
    required to get the effects of the IHVH ADNI practice ? <<

    Yes, the Hebrew canticle is integral to the practice of The Magic of
    IHVH-ADNI.

    >> How would one go about doing the same thing within a different
    religious system? i suspect there is an underlying unity there that
    transcends the religious prism through which one looks at it. <<

    Yes, but it would then no longer be The Magic of IHVH-ADNI. :) In
    other words, the same effects can definitely be achieved within a
    different paradigm, but it would, of course, be a different paradigm
    than that of IHVH-ADNI.

    What I would suggest is that you learn TMO as it is, silly Hebrew words
    and all, and then once you understand the underlying principle of
    uniting the levels of Self into a single conscious awareness, turn
    around and apply that same principle to the paradigm of your choosing.
    But I think in order to be able to do that effectively, you'd have to
    experience these principles and their consequences in action first.

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    19 Aug 2003
    rawnclark@...
    rawn@...
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