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# Re: mind chatter : what plane ?

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- Subject: Re: mind chatter : what plane ?
- From: "forestofsymbols" <forestofsymbols@...>
- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:12:07 -0000
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    Simon wrote:

    > Quite the opposite actually. In Zen, they say "If you can calm
    your mind for twelve seconds, you have achieved enlightenment".

    What do you say?

    Simon wrote:

    >Let me use an analogy: Growing up is the result of imposing
    discipline upon your life... we meet responsibilities because it is
    important that we do so. If I fail to impose discipline upon my life
    I remain immature. Thus is can be said that immaturity is
    the "natural" state to be in as another influence (discipline), must
    be exerted on its "natural" state to change it. Thus it is with the
    chattering monkey. Discipline must be exerted upon the mind so
    > that it calms, not until then can it become a "calm pond".

    For some, growing up means learning how to lie. Children, in my
    experience, tend to be much more honest than adults-- both with
    themselves (if memory serves), and with others. And when children
    lie, they are often not very good at it.

    > I don't like speaking for others, but I think most of us here would
    say that the natural state of our minds is to have thoughts
    constantly flitting across our radars.

    Popular doesn't make it right.

    mj

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