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# Re: Concerning an old post

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- To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: Re: Concerning an old post
- From: "Richard Be X Born" <ribex@...>
- Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:23:19 -0000
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    Dear louis ~

    The debate of drug use is so filtered through political agendas and
    propaganda that you will be hard-pressed to find a rational answer on
    this matter. Whatever you are likely to hear will always be angled
    from the personal opinion of the person you ask, which in the case of
    drugs usually is very hot indeed!

    The fact of the matter is that psychedelic drugs have been used as
    sacramental medicines (ie entheogens) as far back as the history-
    books go. Like any tool, they can be used or abused; that is, they
    can be used with merit or they can lead to harm.

    Bardon never revealed his position on the matter, at least to my
    knowledge. One might assume that his position is the same as with the
    other substances which he actually mentioned in IIH.

    You might find answers to what you are looking for by checking out
    www.erowid.org, and the material by Hoffman and Leary.

    In either case, the dispute as to whether spiritual experiences
    triggered by the use of entheogens are valid or not is up to
    individual experience. The fact the wise Initiate will understand is
    the same as that of any tool: not to allow it to become a crutch. By
    practicing IIH, for instance, the Initiate will eventually be able to
    produce any state of mind, far surpassing that of any drug, Hirself.
    Furthermore, it will then be under the utter control of the balanced
    Initiate, rather than the entheogenic experience of being thrown in
    the deep of a turbulent ocean not even knowing if one can swim.

    Are psychedelic drugs dangerous? First of all, I find it amusing that
    anyone professing to become One with God would even grasp at
    comfortable safety. That said, I guess you could say that any given
    drug is as dangerous as the individual taking it. It is the greeting
    and embrace of a foreign chemical-structure into one's own, after
    all. Are the two synergistic or incompatible. No two people react the
    same to a psychedelic. No two meetings with a psychedelic is ever the
    same for the same person, even.

    I'm closing my rambling with this: Do what you Will. Be responsible
    and set serious goals, and you'll likely be alright. Recreational use
    of entheogens is a despicable abuse... Ooops! There's that
    politically correct propaganda again... Sorry! ;-)

    Well met
    Vovin

    -- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "loumade_1999"
    <loumade_1999@y...> wrote:
    > There were some posts a while back that dealt with what happens
    > hermetically when one uses different kinds of drugs.

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    - From: "loumade_1999" <loumade_1999@...>

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