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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Re: Questions, questions, questions
- From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
- Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:06:02 -0700
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    Dear Peter,

    >> If the seven doubles can be associated with the seven planets, then I
    take it that the twelve signs of the zodiac can be directly associated
    with the twelve rinds? If so, then the twelve sections of the city of
    gold that lead out from the Tiphereth temple naturally express the
    nature of these twelve rinds? <<

    Yes, on both counts. :)

    >> Do the ten steps of IIH roughly relate to ten sepheroth? <<

    Not directly. What they relate to more directly are the 10 stages, or
    degrees, of initiation in the Western Hermetic system.

    >> Having gone through the Netzach meditation within the Eight Temples
    Meditaiton project, I have a number of questions, ands comments about
    it.
    My first comment would be as to how you seem to have placed the
    imagry of three different tarot cards into the meditaiton. The path
    of the Moon being the path to the wall, the Star being the aspect of
    Raphael in the form of the naked woman and finially the aspect of
    Raphael as complete as the image of Temperence. While the imagry of
    the Star and Temperence are in their right place when looking at your
    discussion upon the 32 paths of wisdom, you also state that the path
    of the Moon connects Hod with Mulkuth in the Hebrew
    tradition...whereas within the Western Hermetic tradition it connects
    Netzach with Mulkuth. So...what gives? The use of the imagry seems
    proper, but still. It's one of those odd mixings of Hebrew and
    Hermetic traditions. <<

    Yes, it is an odd mix, however, as I stated in the "Introduction:
    Overview of Symbols" to the 8T:

    "The variation employed for this series of eight meditations will be a
    fairly simple Western Hermetic approach -- heavy on the Hebrew and
    Pagan, and light on the Christian, as is my way."

    When I created the 8T, I was well aware of how confusing it would be for
    most folks if I were to use the Hebrew Kabbalah. So, in order to make
    it more readily accessible, I used the Western Hermetic Tree and its
    path assignments.

    >> In step 6 of the Archeaous you introduce the formation of an
    elemental harmony within the three bodies via the accumulation of the
    four elements within their respective region. I take it that the same
    sort of work can be done with regards to impreginating the three
    bodies with the various forms of the tree of life that are related to
    that body? <<

    Yes.

    >> Within your writings, you associate akasha with Atziluth; the mental
    realm with Briah; the astral realm with Yetzirah; and the physical realm
    with Assaih. Yet within your commentary upon KTQ you have the Gra tree
    represent the world of Briah, when elsewhere you state that the Gra tree
    is the best representation of the tree within the Sepher Yetzirah. So
    how do you rectify this point of contradiction? <<

    Okay, this bit gets complicated, so buckle your seatbelt. ;-)

    The Sepher Yetzirah or "Book of Formation" describes the *creation* of
    the realm of Yetzirah. The Creatrix is represented by the Gra Tree (the
    Tree of perfect equilibrium), and the creation (Yetziratic Realm) is
    represented by the Hebrew Tree. In other words, the S.Y. *results in*
    the Hebrew Tree, but the tree it *describes* is the Briatic Tree or Gra
    Tree.

    The S.Y. tells the tale of the transition between the Briatic (mental)
    and Yetziratic (astral) Realms or Worlds. It's the *creation* of
    Yetzirah and the astral realm. This may be the reason why Aryeh Kaplan
    chose to translate the title of his book into the English "Book of
    Creation" instead of "Book of Formation".

    The true "Sepher Briah", or "Book of Creation", is the first chapter of
    Genesis which defines the 32 Paths of Wisdom. It tells the story of the
    transition between Atziluth and Briah. This results in the mental realm
    or Briatic World, represented by the Gra Tree.

    The Sepher Yetzirah picks up from there and describes how the Briatic
    Gra Tree, creates the astral realm of Formation, which results in the
    Hebrew Tree.

    As for a "Sepher Assiah", or "Book of Making", which describes the
    transition from Yetzirah (astral) to Assiah (material), it's my opinion
    that The Ari (R. Luria) found the equivalent within the "Sepher ha
    Zohar" and from that divined his version of the Tree. To my mind, the
    Ari Tree describes the Assiatic Realm.

    Clear as mud? ;-)

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    28 Jun 2003
    rawnclark@...
    rawn@...
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