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# Re: Closed Eye Visualisations

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- Subject: Re: Closed Eye Visualisations
- From: "crimsonteabiscuit" <crimsonteabiscuit@...>
- Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:50:36 -0000
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    Dear Rawn and Stephen,
    Thank you for your posts, I know that it is a matter of persistence
    one way or another. I do feel that 'brute forcing' my way past these
    obstacles is not always the best solution - are a lot of problems not
    merely conceptual (i.e. in the way you are performing the technique)?
    All the best,
    C.

    --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@n...> wrote:
    > Dear "Crimson Tea Biscuit",
    >
    > >> While I can visualize confidently and successfully with my eyes
    > open - I have quite a bit of difficulty visualizing with my eyes closed.
    > When I visualize something with my eyes closed, such as a banana - it
    > tends to appear quite vague and only part of it is in view, after a
    > little while it fades altogether. It appears correctly and accurately
    > when I have my eyes open. When performing closed eye visualizing, I have
    > tried duplicating the mental process that I perform with my eyes open -
    > but without much success. The images are simply not 'summoned up'
    > easily. <<
    >
    > I don't know if this is the "answer" per se, but I'd like to offer this
    > as something for you to ponder. :) One difference between working with

    > eyes-open and eyes-closed is that with eyes-open you have some sort of
    > defining background upon which to project your visualization. In other
    > words, there's a surface which has depth, etc. With eyes-closed on the
    > other hand, there is no surface but only a depthless blackness. Your
    > brain therefore isn't able to say, for example, "okay, I will create
    > this visualization three feet in front of my face". It has no automatic
    > judgment of *where* to place the visualization.
    >
    > Furthermore, in the eyes-closed visualization one doesn't *use* the eyes
    > in the same way that one does when eyes are open. It forces one to work
    > with the mental creativity alone, separate from normal sight.
    >
    > Over all, I recommend that you keep working at it. :)
    >
    > My best to you,
    > :) Rawn Clark
    > 11 April 2004
    > rawnclark@n...
    > rawn@a...
    > http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis
    > http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe

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