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# Re: Re: Remembering Aleister Crowley

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Re: Remembering Aleister Crowley
- From: "J Mouracadeh" <jij@...>
- Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:34:30 +0100
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    Hermetic initiation as Bardon presented it is not about following
    another person's revelation. Instead, it is about empowering the
    student's own abilities to attain their own personal "revelations".

    Thank you Rawn! This is the True revelation of the path of Magic. Each
    individual follows his abilities and finds solace in his own discovery of the
    mysteries. It is not the same as I told you so rather that I know so!

    Jay
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Rawn Clark
    To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 12:30 AM
    Subject: [BardonPraxis] Re: Remembering Aleister Crowley

    Dear Joa,

    >> I think that today it´s inevitable for all the students of the
    occult to remember that exactly one hundred years ago (on 8th April
    1904), a young man called Aleister Crowley began to receive a
    supposed revelation in El Cairo (Egypt) from Aiwass, his Holy
    Guardian Angel: The Book of the Law. <<

    While I don't mean to offend your own set of beliefs, you have
    greatly overstated when you use the words "inevitable" and "all" in
    this context. :)

    >> It seems that Bardon had a great respect for "The Great Beast"
    because there´s a passage in IIH that has clearly the crowleian
    influence: "Love is the Law, Love under Will". Bardon wrote this, but
    curiously he didn´t make any
    mention about Crowley. <<

    That phrase is not original to Crowley. But even if he was in fact
    quoting Crowley, there's no indication of exactly how Bardon felt
    about Crowley.

    >> I haven´t got very clear what is the "bardonist":) attitude on
    Crowley. Did Bardon believe in the authenticity of that "revelation"?
    What was really his opinion about Crowley and what was the real
    grade of influence of Crowley on Bardon in the creation of IIH? <<

    Bardon didn't say.

    >> Rawn, I have observed that you don´t make any mention on Crowley
    (for example in your "anotated bibliography" there is not any book of
    Crowley. To me, this is highly surprising because his influence on
    FB is evident, like I said before). Do you consider him a black
    magician? What is your personal opinion about him and his system of
    training? Can you clarify me these points? <<

    Personally, I find no value in Crowley's writings and I do not see
    any "evidence" of his influence upon Bardon's system.

    Hermetic initiation as Bardon presented it is not about following
    another person's revelation. Instead, it is about empowering the
    student's own abilities to attain their own personal "revelations".

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    08 April 2004
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