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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Re: Another question...
- From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
- Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:14:43 -0700
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    Dear Jason and 'antiloop1111',

    >> There's something I'm not clear about. If you draw alot of one
    element to
    yourself, don't you somehow create an imbalance of it somewhere else?
    Where does it come from? Is it an infinite supply? <<

    As William has accurately stated, the Elements are qualities and
    therefore cannot be depleted through their accumulation. In other
    words, you are not accumulating a physically quantitative substance.
    Instead, you are accumulating a quality *whose effects are
    quantifiable*. It is the *effects* of the Elements that are
    quantifiable. This is why an accumulation of 3 inhalations of an
    Element will produce a smaller quantifiable effect than one of 30
    inhalations.

    William wrote:
    >> Quantity applies only to manifestation (things like matter and
    energy) and elemental force is clearly prior to manifestation, as is an
    metaphysical principle: as such it is not quantitative, and cannot be
    depleted. <<

    I think the point of confusion here is that while a magician accumulates
    the *quality* of an Element, s/he thereby produces a *quantifiable
    effect*. Take for example the first exercises with the Elements in Step
    Three. The first step is to creatively imagine the *qualities* of the
    Element as if those qualities filled the entire universe surrounding
    you. The second step is to begin inhaling these qualities into your
    body so that you experience their very quantifiable effect upon your
    body. It is the accumulated *quality* of the Element that directly
    produces the experiential *quantity* of an accumulation. But this
    *quantity* does not come into existence until the accumulation. Which
    is to say, not until the *quality* of the Element has become materially
    manifest.

    Antiloop1111 wrote:
    >> To me the answer might be closer to something along the lines of the
    accumulation of an element is but a dislocation of it from one area to
    another. <<

    No. It is the *transformation* of a quality into a quantity, or of a
    principle into a material effect. Consciousness has the power to cause
    such a transformation of a principle into a manifest effect by focusing
    itself invensively upon the quality within whatever realm of density
    (mental, astral and/or physical) and thereby accumulating the quality to
    such a degree that the materia of that realm is affected by it. This
    effect, once generated, is transferable through projection and can be
    induced separate from one's own self through the transference of
    consciousness.

    >> So if all physical matter is composed of 4 elements and you were to
    absorb one of the 4 elements from any one piece of matter, would it
    desintegrate? (because it needs all 4 elements to remain physically
    manifested?), or simply acquire what is being transfered out from some
    other material source automatically and thus never be depleated or
    desintegrate? (e.g. Air?) <<

    Matter *adheres to* the *qualities* of the Elements that compose it.
    Those *qualities* are inexhaustible and are quantifiable (i.e., finite)
    *only* in their material effect. In other words, their *effect upon*
    material substance is quantifiable and we can say that a *thing*
    "contains" more of one Element than another. So, if you were to try to
    "absorb one of the 4 elements from any one piece of matter", you would
    be absorbing the *quality* of the Element, *not* its quantifiable
    effect. In other words, you would absorb nothing *from* the material
    object itself.

    >> Also, if the vaccum of space is a physical manifestation of sorts,
    but one which is not supposedly made up of matter, do the four elements
    still prevade there? <<

    Yes, of course. The Elements *are* the qualities of consciousness.
    *Everything* is an aspect of consciousness.

    >> How many elements are required to make up the various energy types?
    <<

    Four Elements plus the Akasha.

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    06 Sept 2004
    rawnclark@...
    rawn@...
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