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# Re: does BardonPraxis combine with shaman rituals?

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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] does BardonPraxis combine with shaman rituals?
- From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:25:45 -0700
- References: <Law12-F5jVuMhvqgStM00034a46@...>

    Dear Viraj,

    >> i have a question concerning the use of ayahuasca: can those plants
    help to heal and prepare the different bodys for expansion, are they
    beneficial even in long term? or is the effect just limited to the time
    of use and there is no substitute for practice and work? or is the use
    of natural psycedelics
    (the shaman way) even contradictory to bardon praxis? <<

    There's a LOT more to the Shamanic path than just taking a few
    hallucinogens! ;-) There's no less "practice and work" to the Shamanic
    path than there is in the Hermetic path. In the right context, the use
    of psychedelics can indeed have long-term healing effects, but in the
    wrong context the exact opposite can easily result and there can occur a
    magnification of dis-ease. If you're truly interested in exploring that
    avenue, then I suggest you hook up with a *real* Shaman and ask for some
    guidance.

    Shamanism and Bardonism are not incompatible, however, they both require
    a distinctly different sort of training.

    >> i am still struggeling with step one, means trying to keep vigilant
    in meditation and aware in daily life. and i have the feeling that i
    need some support to get out of my fixed patterns of life, to heal some
    issues in the body wich keep me dull and weak. <<

    First off, stop *struggling*. ;-) Seriously, let go of that mind-set
    of 'struggle'. Instead, relax into it. Otherwise, it will become a
    burden very quickly and you'll get discouraged, which is no fun.

    Secondly, I'd suggest some other healing modality than taking
    psychedelics. If you're into Shamanic traditions, I'd suggest seeking
    out a Sweat Lodge Ceremony with a *real* Med'cine Person. Otherwise,
    something along the lines of Ayruveda, Chinese Medicine, etc., . . .
    something that addresses the *whole* person.

    And thirdly, the major portion of the work of character transformation
    begins with Step Two. With Step One, you're just taking stock of the
    inner territory, but in Step Two you really begin making changes to the
    inner landscape. These are the techniques which will get you out of
    those fixed patterns and help you to heal those internal issues which
    are keeping you "dull and weak".

    If you've already finished the construction of your positive and
    negative Soul Mirrors, but are still working your way through the
    meditation exercises, then I suggest that you look ahead to Step Two and
    check into the techniques that Bardon described for use in the character
    transformation. There would be no harm in your applying them to the
    central issues that are making you feel the way you've described.

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    27 Jun 2003
    rawnclark@...
    rawn@...
    http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis
    http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe

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