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- Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] vom rephrased..
- From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
- Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:25:42 -0800
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    Dear Tim,

    >> My last post was a bit manic I'm afraid, so I thought I'd compress it
    a little. <<

    Even so, I'll still answer them both anyway. :)

    >> I found the last few posts interesting, as I have similarly felt a
    VOM during previous meditations practises. I have no thoughts and the
    longer I stay within it the more 'at-one' I feel. It also seems to make
    everything a lot more clear, like my sight and my head and body feel
    lighter. I have been persuing this for quite some time before I came
    across Bardons work. <<
    >> I have tried this for some time with thoughts occuring still but with
    my focus on VOM the thoughts only occur when neccessary, mainly from
    outside of myself, and although it may be unrelated, it seems to amplify
    synchronicity, ie lots of coincidences occur. <<

    As I explained in my Self-Healing Archaeous audio Lessons, VoM occurs
    when your awareness is focused exclusively within the Fire region of
    your temporal mental body. Which is to say, when your awareness is
    focused exclusively upon *perception*. By exclusively, I mean that you
    have excluded thinking (the Air region of the temporal mental body),
    feeling (the Water region of the temporal mental body), and physical
    sensing (the Earth region of the temporal mental body) from your
    conscious awareness and are focused only upon *perception* without these
    additional layers of *interpretation*.

    When this occurs, your conscious awareness is in absolute sync with the
    objective universe, with the NOW. It is the *temporal* state of BEing
    without DOing. It is therefore no wonder that you are left feeling as
    if it "seems to make everything a lot more clear, like my sight and my
    head and body feel lighter". :)

    >> My questions are basically what is the difference between thought and
    no-thought, ie how are they related? Are they like two paths one leading
    to a centered state, and the other through the myriad branches of
    thought to the circumfrence of the centered state? Is one way better
    than the other? <<

    Both are aspects of *awareness*, one perceptual and one interpretive.
    Thinking is the purview of the Air region of the temporal mental body
    and perceiving is the purview of the Fire region. Thinking is the first
    stage of interpreting, personalizing and processing the perceptions of
    the Fire region. Without thinking, these perceptions cannot be
    integrated into the personality or day-to-day awareness. Neither can be
    said to be *more* nor *less* important than the other.

    >> Is it possible to live more and more through VOM? <<

    It is possible to integrate VoM into your life more and more, but living
    requires thinking, feeling and doing in addition to perceiving.

    >> I tend to get a mild pressure between my eyes (third eye area) during
    the VOM, after the exercise it dissapears and it feels the opposite,
    light and clear, but it is not as bad as it used to be. Could this be an
    imbalance of some sort? <<

    It is more likely that you are furrowing your brow during heavy
    concentration.

    >> I was slightly suprised but as alcohol is firey it may partially
    explain why it affected visuisation? <<

    The primary reason is that alcohol defeats your inhibitions. It is
    amazing how much we tell ourselves we cannot do! Alcohol over-rides
    that internal programming.

    >> What is the Will in your personal experience Rawn? (Bardon says it's
    an essential aspect of the spirit..mmm) <<

    It is an aspect of the Life Force itself, regardless of what level of
    "will" you speak of. Even within VoM there is will -- the will to
    continue perceiving, to keep BEing. I recommend that you spend some
    time in deep meditation on this subject. :)

    >> My experience of no-mind has cleared out my head, and let me see
    things from a centred point of view, but in your opinion are the steps 1
    and 2 of level 1 just as important as vom? (I think I know what you will
    say!) <<

    Yes, absolutely!!!

    My best to you,
    :) Rawn Clark
    10 Nov 2004
    rawnclark@...
    rawn@...
    http://www.ABardonCompanion.com
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis
    http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe

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